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5th July 2015, 07:24 PM #1
Another Saw Making Class.
Josh and myself ran another saw making class, yesterday at Handsome and Co. http://www.handsomeandco.com/shortco...-own-back-saw/
There were 6 students and all managed to get something that looked a bit like a dovetail saw completed in the day, although it was a bit rushed at the end, I ended up cutting the 18 tpi teeth ( a bit rough ) on 6 saws in a bit over 2 hours.. I hope they can fix up my mistakes
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The handles are three different walnut variants, and a fiddle back jarrah ( 3rd from right)
We used Rob Streeper's saw nuts, ( I like the solid 3/16 shank ) and came out well, I'd like a slightly longer threaded portion, but with 7/8" thick handles no problem.
The saws are 8" x 2" 0.015 plate, generally inspired by the early Kenyon style, the finish is shellac and wax.
Ray
Apologies for the lousy phone camera picture, the batteries on the other camera died after one picture.
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5th July 2015, 07:38 PM #2Deceased
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Hi Ray. Kudos to you and Josh.
regards Stewie;
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5th July 2015, 09:17 PM #3
Hi Ray,
Nice efforts there from the class. Kudos for organizing the effort. The screws have been redesigned and will accommodate handle thicknesses from ~18 mm to ~25 mm.
I recently found one of the old design screws on the bathroom floor - evidently the cat's have completed their study of it and I expect them to reveal a new saw soon.
Cheers,
RobInnovations are those useful things that, by dint of chance, manage to survive the stupidity and destructive tendencies inherent in human nature.
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6th July 2015, 03:28 PM #4
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6th July 2015, 11:19 PM #5
The machines are no problem.
Here's one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foley-Automa...item25a88710bd
Here's another set, looks like a nearly complete shop http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foley-Belsaw...item463d6a75f6
It is possible to get the 385 machine to Australia at reasonable expense by breaking it down into components and using international flat-rate 20 lb boxes. Considering that you likely won't want the 110v motor it would probably go in two or three boxes.
The problem with these machines is not that they're rare it's that they're often missing the carrier and ratchet bars. Carriers are much easier to find - I have a lot of spares.
Ratchet bars, particularly in the toothings that were considered options (12, 14-16) are on the other hand very hard to find. Fortunately some new ones have been made recently by a regular forum contributor and more could be possibly be made if a minimum of 12 are ordered.
Cheers,
RobInnovations are those useful things that, by dint of chance, manage to survive the stupidity and destructive tendencies inherent in human nature.
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6th July 2015, 11:38 PM #6
On the advice of the cat's I've significantly modified the design of the screws and expanded the range to include small (7/16"), medium (1/2"). large (9/16") and medallion (13/16") size screws. The lengths, shank and boss dimensions are identical for all screws, only the head and nut diameters vary.
Small saw screw dimensions with round boss 012115a.JPGSmall Nut 012115a.JPGsmall medium and large screws head end.jpgmedallion with small medium and large nuts.jpgsmall medium and large screws side view.jpgInnovations are those useful things that, by dint of chance, manage to survive the stupidity and destructive tendencies inherent in human nature.
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7th July 2015, 07:23 PM #7
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8th July 2015, 12:31 AM #8
In regard to the Foley, a retoother and a filer, were sold by a forum memeber (Pagie) in Melbourne about 6mths ago. I believe he said another forumite bought it. It had quite a number of ratchet bars, if the new owner steps forward you may be able to borrow some as templates etc.
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8th July 2015, 01:03 AM #9Innovations are those useful things that, by dint of chance, manage to survive the stupidity and destructive tendencies inherent in human nature.
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8th July 2015, 02:09 AM #10
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8th July 2015, 04:36 AM #11GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Ray,
Great news on picking up the 385!
I can probably help you out on some ratchet bars and carriers to copy as I have a couple of spares of each. I have accumulated overlaps putting together a full set.
I started putting together a detailed drawing with the aim of getting some ratchet bars laser cut to fill out the gaps but paused, as I ended up picking up some new ones that Ron Bontz had made.
Seeing them the originals would be easier to copy than a drawing.
The flywheel is driven by rubber drive wheel that is attached the motor spindle. These all disintegrate with time but Foley Belsaw still stock them. However you may be better off turning your own out of a better material such as polyurethane. I have a spare of these to copy if yours turns out to be in poor condition.
My my own machine has been almost cleaned up ready to run.
I'll send you an email.
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13th July 2015, 09:12 AM #12
Tch tch, you're at it again, Ray! Leading unsuspecting innocents into the world of the saw tragic!
At least it isn't quite so difficult now, the person who wants to try their hand at a saw or two can get hold of the raw material a lot easier than I could when you first got me going down the slippery slope. It's been a fun ride though - I've lost count of the saws I've made since I posted my first somewhat amateurish effort, but it's getting close to the hundred mark, all up. I'm just finishing a batch as we speak, and that's going to be it for quite some time, while I get on with some major renovation work on the house (before I get sent to spend the rest of my days out with the dogs...)
Keep up the good work - the more sawmakers & sharpeners there are agitating for decent files, the better!
Cheers,IW
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13th July 2015, 08:35 PM #13
Thanks Ian,
The supplies of vallorbe needle files are getting low. I'm chewing through too many cutting teeth from scratch, I've got a Foley 385 on the way from USA, and Hiroller is going to help out with the ratchet and carrier bars samples so I can make my own.
Your latest batch looks excellent, I'll reply in that thread.
Ray
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19th September 2016, 02:38 AM #14New Member
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I need measurements of the 385 ratchet bars, I found a 385 but must make the bars any help please.
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3rd February 2018, 11:58 PM #15Intermediate Member
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Is there any more info from people here?
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