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    Paul,
    Since I probed you,
    I must say ,there coming along or almost done dare I say, the final flushing of the saw bolts looks good from were Iím sitting[emoji849].
    It is such a delicate thing ,marrying wood ,and metal and getting the surfaces flush.
    But ,they are my two favourite materials to work with and I think they look fantastic together.
    You have done a fantastic job ,and like Ian said ,you took on a huge first saw building challenge,not just one bloody hell 6 at a time,
    Whatís in the water up that way.

    Sorry I canít offer any advice on the saw back being stupidly tight and it sounds like you got there in the end,but the cost of chipped horn thatís got to hurt.
    But your repair is looking good.

    Have you considered moving the vice on two a bit tree truck and bolting that down some our.

    Cheers Matt,
    Ian did we mention your thinking about making yet another tool, I thought you were retiring from tool making [emoji849][emoji849].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplicity View Post
    Ian did we mention your thinking about making yet another tool, I thought you were retiring from tool making [emoji849][emoji849].
    I did wonder if anybody would pick up on that. A big lump of ringed Gidgee itching to find a resting place in a bit 'o brass if I recall rightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    I did wonder if anybody would pick up on that. A big lump of ringed Gidgee itching to find a resting place in a bit 'o brass if I recall rightly.

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    Juuuust thinkin' about it atm, lads.

    Paul, I hate to be picky, but the way you've added the bit on the broken horn isn't best practice. Maybe it's the photo, but it looks like a butt joint, which may not stand the test of time. (or did yu use a dowel to provide a bit of side-grain glueing surface??). I would've recommended a more oblique cut - at least 45 degrees across the long grain, if possible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    Juuuust thinkin' about it atm, lads.

    Paul, I hate to be picky, but the way you've added the bit on the broken horn isn't best practice. Maybe it's the photo, but it looks like a butt joint, which may not stand the test of time. (or did yu use a dowel to provide a bit of side-grain glueing surface??). I would've recommended a more oblique cut - at least 45 degrees across the long grain, if possible...

    Cheers,

    Oh yes, Just thinkin' . Make sure you write up the finished plane

    On the joint, it is indeed a butt joint and done deliberately. I used an epoxy glue and this seems strong enough for practical purposes. The rumour is that it is stronger than the wood and that may be the case with the Silky Oak, although I am not going to put that to the test: At least not deliberately. A scarf joint may have been technically superior and next time perhaps I will do that. However I have to say that there is the potential for a wider glue line and it was that I was anxious to avoid if possible. Having said that, epoxy glue is not really the best for avoiding a glue line. A good PVA might have been better, but it needs to be clamped hard (can be awkward on hand saws and in fact I have some specially formed blocks for use on handles) and is the opposite of epoxy.

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    I think I mentioned earlier in response to a Simplicity probe (or was it a Luke Maddux question) that I was going to make up a small saw till for the users as at the moment they are pretty much littered all over the place. I know I am a little privileged with the number of saws I have to hand, but if anything that is all the more reason to take a little care with them. This is not something I have had as a high priority in the past.

    This morning I took a few pix to illustrate how they are scattered around:

    Two "Kenyon" hand saws and a couple of Wilkie back saws

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    Two "Kenyon" panel saws and a Simonds back saw

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    Four "Kenyon" back saws


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    Two rehandled Simonds No.5s, a rehandled Disston D-95 and a Simonds docking saw.

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    At least the saws in the last pic are out of the weather in the shipping container, when I remember to shut the door!

    As I was taking the pix, the thought went through my mind that I was fussing. Then this afternoon a storm finally came through. Now I may have a number of saws, but my shed has only three walls ( I am saving hard for the fourth wall, but every time I have the money another saw comes up for sale that I had not realised I needed to have). The problem with this open shed design is that when it rains the rain beats in on the open side. I think you may just be able to see in this pic the rain if you click and enlarge. The rain is at 45 degs coming from the left, which is the fourth and very open wall.



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    I hastily rushed out to the shed to see if the saws were all clear of the weather. I had asked SWMBO to do this, but she ignored me. She doesn't understand the importance of such things it seems. Anyhow I have started a small saw till to house these tools.

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    Paul
    It would certainly seem you in joy a full work space.
    Hope Iím not stepping out of line.

    Cheers Matt

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    I was talking with Matt recently and realised I had never said thank you to Ray Gardiner. The two small open handled Kenyon saws had brand new saw plates as I had nothing that gauge. While Ian Wilkie passed them on to me, they originally came from Ray.

    So belatedly: Thanks Ray. All the best for 2019.

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    One of the hardest aspects of almost any work I do is where to post it. I was going to start a new thread and then I decided it really was not up to any of the other forums and as a good component of the saws were the Kenyon replicas I have decided to post here.

    I think I mentioned earlier that really I had nowhere convenient in the shed to house them and as they are part of my users they do need to be to hand. Also the weather, when it eventually does decide to rain, always blows in from the open side of my three walled shed wetting anything in range. So a saw till was the order of the day, except it has taken me months and not days to complete. I think I first referred to it back in November and it had been on my mind even before then. One of the constraints is that I don't have much room in my shed. Another Forum member, who shall have to remain a nameless gentleman woodworker, bluntly asked me "Where?" when I mentioned in passing that I was going to put up a saw till. He did have a point. I had to move things around quite a bit. As it is the till opens out across the DC, which has to have a deflated top bag to allow this action. The till is 500mm wide.

    So :

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    It opens up a little:

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    There are two flaps on each door that open to reveal more saws. Effectively the doors are three layers deep:

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    The second door layer opened up

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    and the third door layer.

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    The door "layers" are made from hardboard with a reinforcing strip of Forest Red Gum. When I was making them up they caught the afternoon sun every day and they would bend like bananas, but now well out of the sun they seem to be more stable.

    I included a drawer at the bottom just for any saw paraphernalia I didn't know where to keep. Those bits are more for dramatic licence than a final resting place.

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    The carcass was from recycled cypress pine wall boards boards. In fact I cut off the tongues and grooves and re-tongued and grooved them . They started off at 22mm thick and came down to just over 20mm after thicknessing. The timber is full of both natural and man made defects. I have a pile of this stuff that was salvaged when somebody local to us pulled down and rebuilt their house:

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    The FRG trim around the doors was because of a nonsense I made, but I can't recall exactly what it was now. Something must have come up too small I think. However, that worked out well as it looks intentional. That will have to remain a closely guarded secret

    Remember one of my favourite sayings, "A secret is only a secret if it is between two people: And one of 'ems dead!"

    This is not a high class piece of work despite the inordinate amount of time it has taken me. It is, for me, one step up from my previous saw till which was cobbled together from scrap plywood and a real pig's ear. This one's boast is that it was treated to a coat of satin varnish and some black paint to disguise the poxy plywood rear wall and the dappled finish of the back of the hardboard. That hardboard was really difficult to paint and varnish. I think it could be substituted for a sponge.

    I have left room for another two handsaws and another two panel saws: Just in case . I could probably fit in another two or three dovetail size saws in the doors, but as those are the type I use least, they would probably only be for show. The main doors are held shut with proprietary magnetic hardware and the sub panels are held also with recessed square magnets that I put together. The backsaws sit on their timber cutout and are held to the plate with a circular magnet recessed for screwing.

    The tally is:

    3 x Simonds handsaws
    2 x "Kenyon" handsaws
    1 x Disston handsaw

    2 x "Kenyon" panel saws

    4 x "Kenyon" backsaws
    2 x Wilkie backsaws
    1 x Simonds backsaw

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    Paul !!
    Thatís a very nice saw till, I also full endorse the use of recycling up cycling or what ever itís called these days.
    Iím sure others will be along shortly who write so much more elegantly than me [emoji849].
    But ,I have issues,no issues with your beautiful doors, not my own issues, of which I know of at least one [emoji1782] butís thatís questionable.
    Paul, I think you may have under engineered your swinging system for the doors.
    They will be heavy doors no doubt, please, I would at the minimum install another centre hinge at the best a piano hinge.
    You do want your legacy to be punished on future generations no doubt?

    Cheers Matt.

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    Matt

    There is some conjecture as to whether I have recycled or re-purposed .

    When I made up the other sawtill I did indeed use piano hinges. BTW did I ever recount the story of when I worked in my cousin's hardware store and this girl came in asking for violin hinges? She had remembered the wrong instrument: After scratching our heads for a while we asked if it might have been piano hinges her husband had sent her out to get. Yes it was. I digress.

    These doors are only 250mm wide so no great leverage there. Weight wise I am not sure, but even with the saws with some of which have those rather large brass backs I think it will still be sufficient. I have to say it did not occur to me that they might not be strong enough so as my nature is to overbuild things I think they will last a while without sagging. The hinges are 75mm as that was the smallest I could find with a loose pin. Now I am mindful and will be watching!!

    Something I did not mention before is that I used a french cleat to position the cabinet and that was heavy enough as well as being quite awkward. As a precaution I had bought the loose pin hinges and removed the doors before lifting the cabinet into place. As several re-positioning manoeuvres were required I was pleased I had thought of that in advance: A rare example of forethought on my part.

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    Good one, Paul - I like the way you've managed to get so many saws into a relatively small space. Been thinking seriously of re-making my 'overflow' till, which has grown too small over the last few years. I have very restricted space for it, so incorporating extra swing-out door flaps like yours is the only way I can see to fit a few more saws in there. Got too many other issues on the go atm, but maybe later in the year.....

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Matt

    There is some conjecture as to whether I have recycled or re-purposed .

    When I made up the other sawtill I did indeed use piano hinges. BTW did I ever recount the story of when I worked in my cousin's hardware store and this girl came in asking for violin hinges? She had remembered the wrong instrument: After scratching our heads for a while we asked if it might have been piano hinges her husband had sent her out to get. Yes it was. I digress.

    These doors are only 250mm wide so no great leverage there. Weight wise I am not sure, but even with the saws with some of which have those rather large brass backs I think it will still be sufficient. I have to say it did not occur to me that they might not be strong enough so as my nature is to overbuild things I think they will last a while without sagging. The hinges are 75mm as that was the smallest I could find with a loose pin. Now I am mindful and will be watching!!

    Something I did not mention before is that I used a french cleat to position the cabinet and that was heavy enough as well as being quite awkward. As a precaution I had bought the loose pin hinges and removed the doors before lifting the cabinet into place. As several re-positioning manoeuvres were required I was pleased I had thought of that in advance: A rare example of forethought on my part.

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    Just making an appointment for an optometrist.
    Wow I thought those doors easily looked 400 mm across.

    My sincere apologies [emoji20][emoji20].

    Cheers Matt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    Good one, Paul - I like the way you've managed to get so many saws into a relatively small space. Been thinking seriously of re-making my 'overflow' till, which has grown too small over the last few years. I have very restricted space for it, so incorporating extra swing-out door flaps like yours is the only way I can see to fit a few more saws in there. Got too many other issues on the go atm, but maybe later in the year.....

    Cheers,
    Ian

    While I would like to tell you it was all my own idea, I took a little bit of inspiration for Mr Studley, but his level of skill didn't rub off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplicity View Post
    Just making an appointment for an optometrist.
    Wow I thought those doors easily looked 400 mm across.

    My sincere apologies [emoji20][emoji20].

    Cheers Matt.
    Matt

    No apologies needed. Pix, although not lying, can nevertheless be deceptive. The clue is how much of the "door" the backsaws take up in their width. Save the money on the optometrist and buy another saw!

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