Thread: Melbourne, Backsaw Making Workshop

Carbatec are now carrying Fisch, which are Austrian, and by all accounts pretty good, and $125 is not too bad, esp considering the prices they used to charge for Colts when they carried them. Limited range of sizes though (in the usual 5mm increments). They also carry CMT brand tungsten tipped FBs in a much better range of sizes, but they are pretty pricey. Be aware that TT will generally not get as sharp as tool steel (yielding cleaner entry and exit wounds), but most who have the CMTs seem to like them.

I'll be bringing a range of decent ones (13 sizes between 20 and 30mm, plus a 1/2") so given that size is not critical for cutting out waste there should be a few to go around.

thanks fencefurniture
I didn't even think of CMT i have some off there router bits and am happy with them.

Originally Posted by doug3030

Hopefully between us we can come up with enough tools that Ian wont have to bring many at all.

Doug

Indeed Doug. Probably a good idea if we post what we are bringing along - no point in either flying or buying stuff in for one day.

I'll be bringing:

SAW CLASS TOOLS TO TAKE

Adam

Dopey Glasses

Safety Glasses

Ear Defenders

Dust Mask

Coupla riffler rasps

Needle Files for same

Rules

Handle Maker's Rasp #12

Coupla Modeller's rasps

Coupla other rasps

Med & Coarse HR 10" Files

1/4" & 1/2" Chisel

Knife for paring

120-400 CCGrit pieces

800, 1600, 2500 abrasive pieces

Marking & Cutting Gauge (which I believe Ian will recognise)

Marking Knife

Scratch Awl

Saw Set

Disston #2 Saw Vice

Forstners 1/2", 20-30mm

Pencil & Eraser (what's left of it)

Box of Cut #6 Vallorbe Needles which finally arrived yesterday

Three pairs Silicon putty earplugs (just in case I have to

cover the whole ear)

A note on saw sets. Somax Blue and Eclipse 77 seem to be the best. But note not all Eclipse 77 are the same the hammer width the anvil has differences as well. The finer hammer is preferable for the size saws we are looking at. You can file the hammer down if you require. Ideally you should have a range of saw sets for differing TPI.

Eclipse Saw Set

Goodo, I won't bother to pack any Forstners, then, I think they should be well-represented!

We will also need a couple of different types of 5mm bits for the bolt holes. I use a brad-point or sharp HSS twist drill bit for the handle, and a carbide-tipped bit for the saw blade. I'll bring a couple of these, and see how they hold up - the type I've been using don't last much more than 40 or 50 holes in saw plate, & less if you aren't careful, but I've got a new type to try, so I'll be interested to see how it goes. To mark out the saw plate for drilling, I 'dry' assemble the blade & spine, then lightly spin an ordinary HSS twist drill in the bolt hole (so we need one or two of those). That makes enough of a mark that you can see where to lightly centre-punch for the carbide drill to follow.

Dale, or someone - don't forget to pack a few pieces of suitable scrap for backing when drilling. Hardwood is best, of course, especially when drilling the saw plate.

Hand drills for waste removal might work, but they will need to be drills with some serious grunt to drive larger diameter Forstners through She-oak. Forstners are really for drill press use, because they need a fair amount of pressure to keep them cutting cleanly, but some of you may have the right physique to keep a 1" Forstner going. With a bit of organisation, we should manage to keep things moving along.

Brett - I will need to post some stuff ahead, it's just a question of how much. Fortunately, I don't need much personal stuff, because what I'll be doing for the week following the w'shop doesn't involve suits or other forms of fancy dress. I could easily get by with a toothbrush, & a coupla changes of undergear, but I've learnt the hard way that I have to bring a set of clothing suitable for everything from heatwaves to blizzards, when I go to that part of the world!

If you have a sawset, I would suggest you bring it along for sure. You'll soon discover if the plunger is of a suitable size or not (as Dale says, they vary, possibly because people like us have already decided they required modification!). Each sawset feels different to use, my two 77s are like chalk & cheese, so it's better to use your own & get used to it, it helps you get a more consistent set.

Cheers,

Ok, 5mm bits and HW scrap added to the list and I'll bring a fully charged Makita hand drill and spare battery - plenty strong enough for forstners in She Oak.

I will probably fly down but will bring most of the rasps and files required.
I'm not sure what type the saw nuts are but there is no mention of screwdriver or split nut driver yet!

Originally Posted by hiroller

I'm not sure what type the saw nuts are but there is no mention of screwdriver or split nut driver yet!

IanW is making the splt-nut style for us.


Can you advise what width slot you make? So we can possibly get some saw nut drivers made up.

Please let me know if you think you should be on the list but aren't for some reason or still want to register..



The following people are fully registered and their payments have cleared.

HiRoller

FenceFurniture

Doug3030

Charlie250393

Shedbound

Ozhunter

Sam

Simplicity

Bugs72

Chesand

Norton Jeff _fly_

I still haven't received registrations from these guys although you have stated your still interested in coming and were going to send the form through. Let me know if there are any issues so we can get you sorted.

Pagie

Enfield Guy

Kevjed

Also haven't heard from:
No Signal
Enelef
Chrisb691




Also this is open to people outside the forum if you have any friends or family who wish to come.

I can also supply a makita cordless drill.
Plus a corded drill ,also if needed.
They live in the back of my car, being a tradie has it's benefits.

Originally Posted by doug3030

I have such a set of Forstner Bits that I can bring on the day, Its only a cheap carbatec set I keep ion hand for the ones you dont use often so you have them when you need them. I think they will come in under the baggage limit for the ute

Cheers

Doug

I have a set also

Originally Posted by DSEL74

IanW is making the splt-nut style for us.


Can you advise what width slot you make? So we can possibly get some saw nut drivers made up.

The slot is about 0.8mm wide. You can turn any old cheap blade driver of suitable width into a split nut model in about a minute or less, but just for fun, I'll make a few of these from some nice scraps of wood and bring them along:
Split nut drivers red.jpg

At the end of the day, we'll have a draw for them.....

Cheers,

Someone on here is a current student at Holmesglen in the department we will be using the workshop in…….Can you please step forward!

One of the forum members Pagie has posted Emerald Vic to South of Brisbane next week in WOODWORK FORUMS MEMBERS TRANSPORT

I was wondering maybe he can transport some stuff back for down for the workshop, like some of the extra wood on his return.