Thread: saw set marking saw plate

Originally Posted by shedbound

Hi everyone, just wondering how you knowledgeable folk stop the set marking the saw plate, do you use tape? or will this affect the end result I imagine general sticky tape would be less compressible than masking tape.
cheers
joel

Never noticed, I always mark with a texta so as to remember which tooth.. Can you take a picture of the marking you are thinking of.

Ray

Hi Ray, I'm referring the the sm,all scratches left from the set I did clean the faces of the clamping part with some W&D paper but didn't seem to make in difference, I was wondering whether taping the saw plate might help or hinder.


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cheers
Joel

I use masking tape on the plate or jaws of the saw vise to stop scratching, can't say i have notice the set leaving any marks.

I was going to suggest a light sand but you seem to have already done that…

What type of saw set do you have??
Is it possible you are levering the saw set as you squeeze it??

What saw set are you using? Those marks seem a long way down the saw plate. Can you check whether the clamping plate is flat against the saw? Never seen this before

Hi Joel. The markings to the saw plate are most unusual. I can only assume its resulted from you trying to apply too much force with the tool. On a scale of 1(L) to 10(H), the correct pressure to apply with the setting tool would be at a 3 to 4 max. IMO.

Stewie;

Just my humble opinion ,but those marks look like those found from the using a metal engineers vice .
Are you a saw vice ?
Or just an engineers vice ?


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From the positioning I don't think it is coming from the hammer or anvil but from the frame of the saw set. Which Is why I'm wondering wht make/brand/design saw set he is using.

Or like Planemaker said he is applying to much force and as a result scrubbing the frame. There is a uniformity to the markings so I don't think it would be from the vice.

I could be wrong second time this year lol
But they look like the diamond pattern on the inside face of metal working vice jaw
And being consistent
But like I said could be wrong lol


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Hi guys, Definitely not from being in vice jaws, I have been using an eclipse No 77, I maybe being a little heavy handed I'll try a lighter touch next time. I like the idea of tape on set,

Originally Posted by shedbound

Hi guys, Definitely not from being in vice jaws, I have been using an eclipse No 77, I maybe being a little heavy handed I'll try a lighter touch next time. I like the idea of tape on set,

If it is the sawset, just a bit of masking tape will stop the problem until you figure out exactly why it's happening.

You don't generally need a lot of set, well, unless it's a deep cut in green timber or something similar, the hard part of setting is consistency, there is a trick you can use, and that is to fold a piece of paper over the tooth line, and clamp it up in a smooth jawed vise, if you don't have a smooth jawed vise, you can use some heavy steel blocks either side and a normal vise.

What happens is the teeth cut into the paper a little, and you end up with nice evenly set teeth.

Ray

The marks look nothing like an impression the Eclipse 77 clamp might make, and the marks seem too far down the saw plate. I don't have the Eclipse set for large saws, but even that is unlikely to be this big. Can we have a picture of the saw set? What vice were you using to hold the saw?

Cheers
Peter

Just a foot note. I use the E 77 as well as the Somax/ great neck versions. And also the 42x. I have noticed that the saw filings from jointing the teeth can sometimes get in/on the saw sets or vise leaving marks similar. I clean my saw sets and blow off the filings from the plate or gullets prior to setting the teeth. It helps considerably. I don't like using tape, because tape compresses and the set may not be as consistent. Lastly, after I have the teeth sharpened I clean the plate with one of those 6" x 9" aluminum oxide scotch brite pads. Maroon one usually. Seems to do the trick for me.

Hi Ron,

This problem is a bit stranger than that.. the marks aren't on the teeth, they are further away on the saw plate... any ideas as to what could cause that?



Ray

Here's a few pics of the culprit, I have 2 other No77's but this is the only one with a fine enough hammer to do this saw which is 16tpi(3x #77's each different). I also have a Somax #250 which I think will do the job but haven't yet tried it. Looking closely at the set in question the clamp doesn;t seem to travel parallel to each face but corrects itself as the hammer starts to engage. I dont think this is an issue, but I will pull it apart again and redress the face of the clamp
SAM_0888.JPGYou may be able to see a small amount of daylight between the two faces on the upper edge, this corrects itself as pressure is applied.
The saw vice is just a knock-together but does the job.

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Appreciate the feedback
regards
Joel