Thread: Veener saw and abused tools
12th April 2020, 07:41 PM #1
Veener saw and abused tools
My quick and dirty Veneer Saw
(Metal work only so far)
We are currently in lock down in Old Melbourne town due to the Coronavirus,
We thought itís best to stay here mainly because Sallyís father is a widow now at 89 living by himself.
So , this has awarded us with some ups and some downs ,the positives for me is the local shops are five minute drive away.
The downside is I miss my creative zone more than the Communists party of China miss telling a lie.
So ,after spending 31 hours and counting watching YouTube
17 hours reading
2.7 hours being told by Sally Iím not hungry your bored(Possibly a correct assumption)
16 hours walking the local streets avoiding everyone else walking.
A few small jobs when clients are inside and Iím outside.
And a tone of sleeping ,plus a few DVDS.
I wondered out to Sallyís fathers garage and started making my first ever Veneer Saw,because I can.
Now Neilís garage workshop is a little different to my own creative zone ,he prefers all tools with in hands reach of his vise and thatís perfectly ok with me . itís his garage,heís also happy that all his files smash into each other,and I can grit my teeth on that one.
Heís also happy that his little bench grinder spits sparks and anger at a pile of old newspapers and stuff, so I left the switch on that one in the off position.
But ,on that note ,Iíve got to say even tho some of these files have been what I would consider abused there still cutting ok especially compared to the rubbish that you can buy out there these days.
So ,first I did a quick sketch in the sketch book,at approximately 1/1 scale tho that was more good luck then any skill on my behalf.
Second ,I had a rummage around in Neilís scrap of scraps and came across a rather pleasing piece of angle iron, 30 mm wide 55 mm high and 5 mm thick beautiful patina mild steel approximately, a 1987 vintage I think.
So ,with hacksaw in hand with a unknown brand or vintage hacksaw blade, I was able to cut a beautiful piece of 5 mm thick mild steel.
This was then ruffly marked out with some pleasing to my eye,arcs using the Vegemite lid system of dividing corners into equal arcs.
Possibly far more accurate, then me using my centre punch,and layout fluid then using one of my dividers I have in my own workshop.
Well at least Iím not having to explain to Sally that no Iím not sick itís just blue dye on the end of my fingers.
And it will wear off in a few months.
The hacksaw was then pressed into duty using whatever blade it has proving I donít need a collection of 18 24 32 TPI Hacksaw blades in the creative zone ,a series of curfing cuts done, before I got violent with the Old cold chisel off dubious character,I found under the pile of cardboard and knocked all the teeth out of the curve,this was then filed up with the half round file, that was still cutting well for its age and miss use.
Proving you really donít need to care and look after your cutting edge cutting tools.
So once that fine skilled filling was all done(tho there is around two planned for tomorrow)
I had another scrummaging around were my little eye spied a straight as an arrow piece of excotic looking round wire thingy about 5mm across, proving yet again you donít need fancy measuring tools, there just a waste of space.
So ,with the use of crappie hacksaw I removed a section approximately 220 mm long give or take a micron proving, that a end chewed plastic ruler is as accurate as any Of my vernier gages at home.
This was then taken from stunningly straight to as a straight and honest as a politician on the bend.
Two bends later at approximately, know idea of the degrees, and yes proving again I ,donít need some fancy ,pansy degree measuring tool stuff.
(see previous pic)
And finally for days carry on Mr Henry donated a rather striking piece of vintage saw tool steel, that will have a series of teeth filed into it hopefully bettering the smile of Collingwood football support.
Stay tuned there is more to come with abused tools.
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12th April 2020, 08:17 PM #2
This should be a great read Matt. Though I should caution you... you do remember that Sally created an account on here, and just as i am reading your epiphany of not needing quality, cared for tools, so is she!
That said, I also feel compelled to point out that unlike the rest of us, when you die, your name will be mentioned in hushed tones along with Sam Maloof and Tage Frid. The masters, such as you are, may not need good tools to achieve your results as your innate skills subconsciously account and adjust for any inaccuracy they present. The rest of us hacks certainly do though!Lance
12th April 2020, 08:37 PM #3
12th April 2020, 09:10 PM #4
Thanks for the chuckle. I am only 79 but can totally relate to that workshop. I also have pieces of.. errr.. metal? And all sorts of bits and pieces all carefully logged, yeah right . In fact, if you weren't three thousand kilometres from here, I would have thought you had taken a quick trip up here to use my gear....
JimSometimes in the daily challenges that life gives us, we miss what is really important...
12th April 2020, 09:28 PM #5
Looks like a good project Matt.
Do you have any veneering projects coming up or do you just want the challenge of making a veneer saw?
I'm sure this thread will be better than the coronavirus one.Theory and practice are the same in theory, but different in practice.
12th April 2020, 10:15 PM #6
12th April 2020, 10:18 PM #7
12th April 2020, 11:15 PM #8
I am just looking forward to the clearing sale/auction/Ebay sell off for all these items you have realised you don't need and are languishing in the "creative zone."
Watching eagerly for what else could be in the offing.
In the meantime it is good to see you using the time productively and creatively.
"Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely!"
13th April 2020, 10:11 AM #9
13th April 2020, 03:34 PM #10
So today after a leisurely sleep in, followed by breakfast, a stroll around the burbs avoiding eye contact and anyone and everything that looked suspect.
I casually made my way out to Neilís man cave,
And proceeded to smash these two bits of metal together.
Thus forming one piece of three ,that is required to make a Veneer saw.
This process was involved using one unknown nail that was wasting its life away on the bench,and Neilís tack hammer,
Once again, proving you do not need a selection of ball pein hammers.
Note point for those , that like to view detail,
Yes the riveting has voids(Or more precisely unknown design details)
13th April 2020, 04:10 PM #11
Matt, so far you have proven we have no need for so many tools we all thought were essential, or at least nice to have.
All this to make a tool which you have admitted to having no actual use for.
I strongly suggest that from now on you stick to projects involving the making of tools you need so that this does not happen again.Theory and practice are the same in theory, but different in practice.
13th April 2020, 08:33 PM #12
13th April 2020, 08:38 PM #13
13th April 2020, 09:09 PM #14
So after my granny nap this afternoon,
I was right back into the thick of it.
The off cut of saw blade was sanded down, this awarded me the chance to use some brand spanking new materials?
First , was some cheap 80 grit from that place we donít talk about, followed by some 120 grit then 240 grit.
These were all taken from the back of work van.
Then ,finally I was able to get back to my no tool, tool building and pulled out, one of the dinner dishes that only come out for special occasions like marking curves on scrappy bits of old saw plate.
This was then hacked with the grinder(Another Mattís tool)
Then the curves were refined with some more abused files.
Iíve now grown to like vintage files even more now.
Unfortunately ,todayís activities were more hands on then taking pics.
Finally ,the biggest cheat, now of the century,
When Sally and I decide a few weeks back that we would be camping out in Melbourne,
We drove up to Ballarat on a Sunday,loaded the van with stuff we thought we could use in Melbourne food ,books ,clothing ,DVDs and I fetched another saw Iíve been working on, forever , plus my little saw vice and some of my saw files with the idea if I get bored I finish that saw(it just needs its teeth cut).
Well Iíve been making excuses for the last three weeks why I canít do it here[emoji3064].
I know pathetic lol.
Anyway, I have taken one of my saw file handles that I made a few years back,
It is now re named veneer saw handle.that has saved the day.
I will make another one when I get back to my lathe, we all have our standards that one is mine,
So weíre getting there,
PS , Iím open to any sensible suggestions on teeth spacing.?
13th April 2020, 09:34 PM #15
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