Thread: Outsourcing a job overseas

Hang em here, include the druggies and the soccer/phootie hooligans also!!!!

We will continue to be on a downward spiral untill we start handing out punishments that fit the crime, in all areas. A slap on the wrist is no deterrent.
The goody two shoes have wrecked our country, child and youth crimes are rampant but do you know what the penalties are for disciplining your child with a slap?
Don't get the idea that I'm in favour of brutalising children, but the first word a child should learn the meaning of is NO! How many do?

The death penalty just isn't a deterrent for drug users. If they were concerned about death then they wouldn't be users. You will end up killing a lot of sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers and not reduce the drug addictions or crime rate.

The drug addiction is a health issue not a law enforcement issue.

The organised crime elements who arrange most of the importation of illicit drugs do not want it legalised because they make too much money out of it.

Originally Posted by echnidna

Nowadays going offshore seems very respectable.

So should we outsource some of our justice system to overseas courts etc

Expect this could end up in the orange room

Send them all to Singapore - but to help with their costs, let them have the T.V. rights:eek:

Cheers!

PS this was sent in a sense of very dark humour, and in no way suggests that Nguyen Tuong Van should receive this penalty. I really feel grief for his mother.

Originally Posted by Grunt

The death penalty just isn't a deterrent for drug users. If they were concerned about death then they wouldn't be users. You will end up killing a lot of sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers and not reduce the drug addictions or crime rate.

The drug addiction is a health issue not a law enforcement issue.

The organised crime elements who arrange most of the importation of illicit drugs do not want it legalised because they make too much money out of it.

Cut off the supply and you have a chance of treating/reducing the victims. In my opinion suppliers/dealers are murderers and should be punished accordingly. The bloke to be hung in two weeks time does not have a skerrick of my sympathy. The fact that a human life is being terminated does conflict with my Buddhist beliefs but not to the point of fighting for his life, how many has he killed?

The thing is you will not cut off supply. The stuff grows on trees (or poppies). Currently, the authorities would be lucky to intercept 5% of the drugs that arrive in Australia. Even if we could increase the percentage to 95%, the drug barrons will simply send 20 times the amount. It costs them almost nothing to do so. The price in Australia will go up. This will have only two effects. Crime will go up and the drug barrons will get richer.

We will manage to kill lots of people however. People who have just made a mistake and become addicted to drugs.

Originally Posted by Grunt

The drug addiction is a health issue not a law enforcement issue.

tell that to the people they rob and assualt to feed their addiction.

and every dealer gone is one less

If we treated it like a health issue. They would be able to get it for free or very cheap so they wouldn't need to steal. We would be able to spend the money that we currently spend on enforcement, around $1 billion a year, on rehabilitation programs or on mental health programs. Many drug addicts are have schizophrenia or other mental issues.

and every dealer gone is one less

Make it legal and you'll get rid of them all. If there is no money in it, then no one will deal. What would the point be?

This who issue drugs and those who use them is an acedamic argument. Deep down we want them all to hang or whatever. Realistically we want them to be rehabilitated? No way! there is no way to redeem the people who deal/use/try/agree with or make some sort of profit from drugs. The money is too tempting and the victims too easy to suck in. I reckon that the users are as much to blame as the suppliers. Currently the golden rule seems to be that if you cut the supply line, we will be ok. To me that is a load of BS. , if you cut the user demand the supply chain will die on its own accord!!!

there is no way to redeem the people who deal/use/try/agree with or make some sort of profit from drugs

It is fairly arbitrary as too which drugs are illegal and those that are not.

Alcohol is legal and it cause more grief, misery and violence than any other drug. Cigarettes kill 10s of thousands of people a year. They are legal.

Heroin is actually not that bad for you. If it is controlled doses then you can take it your entire life without any major health problems with the exception of a slightly befuddled brain. It is probably the most effective pain killer for terminally ill cancer sufferers. Yet it is illegal.

The reason why heroin kills is that the dosage is extremely variable and it contains all sorts of contaminates. If you could get it on prescription, the dosage and the quality is controlled. People wouldn't die. Drug dealers wouldn't make money.

To me that is a load of BS. , if you cut the user demand the supply chain will die on its own accord!!!

The problem is trying to get people to stop taking drugs. Every smoker knows that it is going to kill them or seriously dimish the quality of there life at some point. These people still smoke.

Alcholics know that alchohol causes brain damage. These people still drink.

I reckon that the users are as much to blame as the suppliers.

Yes, but do they deserve to die because they are stupid, immature or have mental health issues?

Why do the young start smoking? There is no way that they could not know it's bad for them. They still do.

How about we make cigarettes illegal and kill anyone who is caught with more than a carton? Life in gaol for the rest of them.

This is one of the few times that I am in total agreement with Grunt.

Drug addiction is an illness and we ought to treat the illness by supplying them with cheap and properly made drugs administered by doctors or clinics for free. Once it is available to addicts for free the need to commit crime to pay for it is abolished.

Also with the demand by users abolished we will get rid of the pushers, and if there are still any, when caught, they should then be executed or sent to Singapore for trial.


Peter.

I have one problem with the death penalty, what happens when the justice system gets it wrong, do we unhang them???? at least if they go to jail we can let them free, once you have killed them you cant make them live again..

I am also in agreement with grunt it is a health issue, and the stupid rules on what drug you can buy from the corner shop and what you cant is completly illogical. the sooner we can get some realistic discution without the moralisers getting all excited and complaining in their beer that we are legalising drugs the better (it will never happen I know, but we can always hope)