Thread: Cocobolo wood

Here's a potential option for you Antonio. shipito.com is a freight company that many Aussies (and others) use to import stuff from the States. You could get your own box number with them, and people could advise you by PM on this forum what they would like to order. When you have enough to be worthwhile sending to Los Angeles (Shipito warehouse) you could then advise each person what their pro-rata freight costs would be.

Shipito use various freight companies such as TNT, DHL, Fedex et al. One of them won't carry timber but I can't remember which one. TNT Express is usually the cheapest option, and only take 2-4 from LA to here.

Then, send the package to the person who has the heaviest order, and they can on-post to the other people. We do that kind of thing all the time here (well, I do anyway ).

In the mean time you could make contact with the various Cabinet timber companies here (Matthews Timber, Trend Timber etc etc....google is your friend) and perhaps include some samples to be on-posted to them.

This is not viable for large quantities, but would be a good way of getting smaller shipments of 10-30 kilos out at a cost of maybe USD12-20 per kilo. That way people could assess the timber to see if they would like to order a larger quantity which could be bulk freighted.

HTH
Brett

is it only me or is there something not quite right about this thread.

Cocobolo and the other exotics mentioned has go to be worth something in excess of $6 or $7000 a cube, maybe more than $10k per cube.
The OP's talking about what 48 cubic metres, which would be worth $300,000 or more retail.
Wholesale at 1/3 retail would still be something like $100,000 plus shipping etc.

That's a lot of money to have on the water on the basis of trust established on this site.

and I'm sure Juan is talking in US Dollars.

FWIW, people will pay those kind of prices for wood. Maybe not $100,000 per cube though... That's a bit nuts.

I know that occasionally a block of "craft wood" or "boxmaking wood" or a "turning blank" will go on here for 30 or 40 dollars for a single piece. Sometimes I'm so shocked by it I do the math, and it's fairly routine for stuff to go at $40,000 or more per cubic meter.

I've personally paid as much as $50,000 per cubic meter for highly figured, kiln dried, sustainably sourced outback timbers when I had a project that required it. Not commonly though. The first that comes to mind is my home made router plane that I posted about, which came from a Gidgee blank that I paid around $40 for.

Carbatec sells straight grained African Blackwood for over $75,000 per cube. I'm not sure if anyone is buying it at that price, but I went in and calculated it one day and sure enough that was the number.

I've kind of gotten obsessed with cubic meter rates over the last couple of years, so I pay attention to that stuff. Furniture sized stock, sure, that should be between 3.5 and maybe 7,000 per cube. If it's something super rare (Queensland Walnut comes to mind) then I've heard of prices approaching $10,000 per cube, but that's uncommon.

All I'm saying is that selling Cocobolo to END USERS at $40,000 - 60,000 per cube is not impossible, but it would take some time and a very active retail outlet. Selling it in bulk to a merchant at that rate, however, would likely prove very difficult.

All prices above in AUD.

Probably worth mentioning that my experience is limited compared to others.

Cheers,
Luke

Originally Posted by ian

is it only me or is there something not quite right about this thread.

Agree.

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Here's a potential option for you Antonio. shipito.com is a freight company that many Aussies (and others) use to import stuff from the States. You could get your own box number with them, and people could advise you by PM on this forum what they would like to order. When you have enough to be worthwhile sending to Los Angeles (Shipito warehouse) you could then advise each person what their pro-rata freight costs would be.

Shipito use various freight companies such as TNT, DHL, Fedex et al. One of them won't carry timber but I can't remember which one. TNT Express is usually the cheapest option, and only take 2-4 from LA to here.

Then, send the package to the person who has the heaviest order, and they can on-post to the other people. We do that kind of thing all the time here (well, I do anyway ).

In the mean time you could make contact with the various Cabinet timber companies here (Matthews Timber, Trend Timber etc etc....google is your friend) and perhaps include some samples to be on-posted to them.

This is not viable for large quantities, but would be a good way of getting smaller shipments of 10-30 kilos out at a cost of maybe USD12-20 per kilo. That way people could assess the timber to see if they would like to order a larger quantity which could be bulk freighted.

HTH
Brett

Very much appreciated my friend !! I will start with this and maybe one of these companies will have interest im larger amounts but 3 full containers of 20 m3 is not so much counting on the fact that I'm thinking of selling all at once but instead, selling pre cut wood for special projects like knives, bowls, small/medium furniture, doors, cannot handles bathroom accessories and more.
I'll start by calling these two major stores you mentioned and appreciate your help if you can tell me some more names if possible clients.
Thank you

J Anthony Delfado


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Another thing is that the Chinese have bought and taken thousands of cubic meter es for centuries and control the market and price of this particular species and what I have to offer doesn't compare to their stock but defiantly compares in price and most of all in quality so if any one wants a sample I will gladly send free of charge and will even pay shipping just to get this business started and for anyone intrested and who has the time and contacts to make this project work I would be more than happy to send samples not only of cocobolo but another few species for anyone willing to join me so you have samples and all my business info including permits and tax I D so you fell more secure and safe about my wood being legal and able to import ands sell without problems.
Thank you
Anthony Delgado


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All Rosewoods (Dalbergia) have now been listed as appendix II. If you want to trade in Appendix II species to/from Australia you will generally need both a CITES export and import permit issued by CITES management authorities.

Originally Posted by bench1holio

All Rosewoods (Dalbergia) have now been listed as appendix II. If you want to trade in Appendix II species to/from Australia you will generally need both a CITES export and import permit issued by CITES management authorities.

Yes you are right about cocobolo being listed now in appendix 2 but it's not listed as an endangered species.
Appendix 2 is to control the comercial trade and keep a record of what is being cut and exported so the forest authorities have a better idea and control of this species.
Many people think that because you cut a tree, you kill it and they go on thinking about oxígeno, pollution and so on but as an agriculture engineer I can tell you that all trees that flower and every year drops there seeds will never die or extinct because someone cuts them.
At the contrary, when a huge tree is present, this type of tree won't let another tree grow at a 50 meter to 100 meter radius.
Cutting a tree o cocobolo or any seed tree brings life to the forests and the only way a conscious person cuts this tree is either because it's dead, very old, struck by lightning or hit by hurricanes and knocked down and then we can ask for tree to be used or commercialized.
In my case like I said there building a dam and necessarily cut them to open way for water to build the dam.
Others export and make profit without thinking about re forest Ing like China and Taiwan but every 40/50 years they come and take it all and make a fortune just like many other things they take from Mexico and all over the world and even though they shouldn't do it we still buy all there furniture, plastics, minerals and more without feeling remorseful or bad about it.
CITES document is expedited not by Mexican authorities only but by and international agency that really goes and inspects that the trees are already dead, k Ickes down or struck by lightning o natural disasters so as soon as someone wants to export anywhere in the world, Mexico puts in the paperwork and the port of destiny will do same and on screen there will appear a folio number and authenticity of CITES and it will be free to clear customs with. No problem
Thanks


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Originally Posted by Luke Maddux

FWIW, people will pay those kind of prices for wood. Maybe not $100,000 per cube though... That's a bit nuts.

I know that occasionally a block of "craft wood" or "boxmaking wood" or a "turning blank" will go on here for 30 or 40 dollars for a single piece. Sometimes I'm so shocked by it I do the math, and it's fairly routine for stuff to go at $40,000 or more per cubic meter.

I've personally paid as much as $50,000 per cubic meter for highly figured, kiln dried, sustainably sourced outback timbers when I had a project that required it. Not commonly though. The first that comes to mind is my home made router plane that I posted about, which came from a Gidgee blank that I paid around $40 for.

Carbatec sells straight grained African Blackwood for over $75,000 per cube. I'm not sure if anyone is buying it at that price, but I went in and calculated it one day and sure enough that was the number.

I've kind of gotten obsessed with cubic meter rates over the last couple of years, so I pay attention to that stuff. Furniture sized stock, sure, that should be between 3.5 and maybe 7,000 per cube. If it's something super rare (Queensland Walnut comes to mind) then I've heard of prices approaching $10,000 per cube, but that's uncommon.

All I'm saying is that selling Cocobolo to END USERS at $40,000 - 60,000 per cube is not impossible, but it would take some time and a very active retail outlet. Selling it in bulk to a merchant at that rate, however, would likely prove very difficult.

All prices above in AUD.

Probably worth mentioning that my experience is limited compared to others.

Cheers,
Luke

Good point and let me share cocobolos actual price at market now !!
Here in Mexico a cube meter is minimumum 6,000 US dollars and in China is minimum 16,000 US dollars but these prices are logs or square cants you still have to consider a 30 % minimum loss because of this particular species and it's so many defects.
So it turns or to be around 25 grand or up to 30 grand a cube meter when it's cut up all clear and better wood.
Up to 70.00 US dollars for a BF

I'm offering this time and only for a few days the possibility to obtain any size piece or pieces you wish to order at 35 US dollars with shipping included and I will cut to desired measurements, width length and height and make sure it's unique and beautiful with no money down just so you see and have a piece of this exotic very rare wood.
If you don't think it's worth paying just send it back and no problem!!
So I'll be waiting for the first 100 orders and I'll pay shipping and guarantee delivery with no deposit or down payment.
If interested please contact me through email at
[email protected]

Or

[email protected]

Please leave measurements and number of BF and I'll give you quote on each piece before I send just so you agree on full payment after you recieve and if it's not much I'll send through air mail.
I know once I start it will be a great business and people that love cocobolo will have the chance to continue making there art with this precious wood.

Thanks again and if your intrested please contact me and I'll quote your order and remember I will send with no money down, deposit or contract obligating you to anything.
FedEx can deliver and open in front of you and if you don't like wood they will take back and send back to me!!
I know you can't beat that and for guitars and other instruments please also contact me and let me know what you need .


Regards

Anthony Delgado


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I dont understand this. You are willing to send timber over the ocean without taking full payment or even a down payment beforehand? Apart from me being an honest guy, why would I pay AFTER I have recieved the timber?

Originally Posted by Kuffy

I dont understand this. You are willing to send timber over the ocean without taking full payment or even a down payment beforehand? Apart from me being an honest guy, why would I pay AFTER I have recieved the timber?

Just like you I am an honest person or at least I try to be.
I wouldn't send more than a few feet just so anyone interested can see the quality, then after we can work something out to were anyone that wants this wood and can't get it can always have someone they trust and just as I would send the wood I would also return the money in case it wasn't exactly what you order.
I'm willing to trust and hopefully that person that wants to take advantage of this will maybe steal a couple hundred dollars but that's it and I don't have a fortune, neither am I super wealthy but I've come across my best partners by trusting 100% without doubt and many have scammed and stole but most of my clients have come through and figures out that we can make a lot more if we're straight up forward and honest.
That's my way of thinking and I've won more than I've lost doing it this way so if your interested, well then I'm willing.
My plan is to set up a store in Sydney or Melbourne and maybe both and I'm the kind of guy that takes risks !!
Let me know if your interested in a piece and we'll see how it turns out !! I'm searching for a partner with the capacity to make it work, no matter what obstacles come between so I'll be waiting for the first orders and to finish I'd rather trust than doubt.


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Perhaps you should be talking with the wonderful people at Austrade Austrade, Australian Government - Austrade to see if they can assist with matching your proposal with a business partner in Australia.

Some posts were getting somewhat personal and they have been removed, some others no longer make sense because of this and they also have been removed.

This is a new member to the forum, who incidentally has made an offer that members are free to take up or not.

Please keep your comments non-judgemental or they will be removed.