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3rd February 2020, 04:03 PM #16
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For the sake of $500, and a LOT less stress and pain, It is seriously worth considering hiring a crane truck and driver to move this behemoth. Even if he gets it 10 metres from where it needs to go, that’s a lot easier than off a trailer and up or down a driveway. I’ve used them before and been able to poke the jib right inside the workshop and put the machine almost exactly where I wanted it, worth considering, seeing as the initial investment is 3/4 of bugger all.
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3rd February 2020, 04:34 PM #17
On the other hand, don't get a freight moving firm to shift it for you, unless you can fix whatever they break (because they will break something!!).
Cheers Vann.Gatherer of rustyplanestools...
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3rd February 2020, 10:38 PM #18
What about a safe company? They could send 4 lads out to heave it into place.
Id think 5 blokes with ropes or straps should be able to do it.
Delbs, an old member, bought a beastly Felder Combo machine. That was *seriously* heavy. The two of us moved it onto a trailer, off and into his shed with a minimum of fractures and cartilage compression. A clever use of ramps made from sleepers and a few straps... taking our time... inch by inch and controlling it slowly....
One could also use a revivalist trolley? 4 wheels on a board!Borrow one from Kennards or Storage King
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4th February 2020, 12:44 AM #19
I made a ramp for my trailer for the heavy stuff to slide / winch on and off.
10 loads with three machines on each load to move the machinery was done on it . Glad that's over and done with .
The ramp still comes in handy for one off pick ups today .
Moving Machinery and the incline plane
Rob
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4th February 2020, 02:25 PM #20
Thanks for showing me that link, Rob. I had missed it when yoe posted it earlier.
What dimension of steel did you use for the ramp? It looks like the ramp has a steel strap on the bottom as a kind of rocker, or have I misinterpreted your photos?
Do you have a drawing of it that you could post or send me by DM? This might be just the trick to move this b*gger about!
TIACheers
Jeremy
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4th February 2020, 11:50 PM #21
Hi Jeremy.
I don't have drawings . When I made it I had a rough sketch and just built it at the back of the trailer on the concrete. I think the pictures show it pretty good and If I can explain anything you want to know Ill try that . See how we go .
The square steel is 50 x 50 x 3mm and I cut it so it would fit in my trailer which is roughly a 4 M tray.
My trailer which I had made, came with two car ramps and a piece of angle welded across the back of the trailer which the two car ramps hook on to . So I was just making a longer ramp that hooked on the same way .
A notch cut in the end of the three 50 x 50 half way through forms the hook on the ends that hang on the trailer.
There are two sides to the ramp and a center piece all the same 4M length . The two outside parts are a type of Truss design . If you just had a straight length of steel it would flex badly downwards with weight . By welding two short legs down from that length with 50 x 50 x 3 .Then weld a length of strap steel 50 x 4mm I think its 4mm ? from one end to the other and over those two legs . So its as tight as possible , no sag . (I actualy did a pre load sort of matching curve in the opposite direction . More later on that if you want )
Then for the truss to bend down it would have to stretch the 50 x 4 flat steel . Steel is best used for its strength in tension . So stretching a 50 x 4 is a big thing . It rely's on how its welded as well . Using the old rule of thumb of 1 inch of weld holds a ton . So the 50 x 4 strap has long welds each side holding it to the 50 x 50 which add up to many inches. Its over done in its final form . I went back after first using it and welded more than is in the first pictures
So there is an end that hooks on the trailer and the other end comes to a fine point that rests on the ground .
When it gets a ton of cast iron on it the two straps lose any slackness in them and it becomes very solid with no downward flex . there are the tree long 50 x 50s for a machine to slide on but that only suits some machine bases . A bandsaw like yours would be risky just going up or down by itself and could very easily come off . What I also made to solve this was two flat plates with sides that keep them on track , that a bandsaw could sit on and be chained to . Only one needed for a bandsaw. I use two for things like a lathe with legs at each end . You can see the plate being used in those pictures . As well the plate's you also need a way to lock the plate at the bottom of the ramp or at the top of the ramp . By locking a plate you can winch machines onto the plate or off , without the plate moving away . The lock is just some short pipe welded under that another pipe goes through .
If you welded a ramp up the right way you may not need a plate for your saw ?
Other tools I needed when shifting were some long crow bars . For leverage . I re forged the ends of some new bars . And the most handy tool was a few log splitting wedges . For popping in a crack formed when lifting a machine so you can get a second bite at it . A few Hardwood ones would work . I wouldn't go anywhere without a wedge when doing this . Another nice thing was some rubber pads for placing under machines when in the trailer to stop them sliding . I had ratchet straps every where as well . Plus some Jack stands under the end of the trailer is needed sometimes .
Rob
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5th February 2020, 08:55 AM #22
Rob
That's a very helpful explanation.
Many thanks for providing it.Cheers
Jeremy
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5th February 2020, 09:58 AM #23
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Find the nearest brick truck with an all terrain forklift on it.
A small truck with a HIAB would be another thought If it can be parked close enough to reach inside.
A small front end loader or bucket machine on tracks, readily on hire anywhere but the lift weight might be an issue.CHRIS
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5th February 2020, 11:39 AM #24
Thanks Chris
Machinery of that kind is not possible on the site.
However, I think that a combination of the suggestions received, along with help from my son and daughter, should mean we get it done safely (both for us and the bandsaw!). The motto for this job will need to be festine lenteh(Hasten slowly).Cheers
Jeremy
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5th February 2020, 09:29 PM #25
The ramp is good Jeremy but it cant be to short . How long is your trailer?
You could do a two piece ramp . like car ramps . One in front of the other , that hook on . Both at two meters ?
Once you have a system then you can continue adding cheap good quality machinery to your collection easy because getting it home is the hardest thing .
My workshop was full of light weight cheap machinery . Carbatec stuff .
I loved Wadkin Bursgreen which is the later Wadkin gear . Its half sheet metal and half cast iron . And I started buying some and got it home in the ute or my light truck . The Bedford CF.
I knew of the old heavy earlier machinery that was full cast iron but In my mind at around a ton at a time and speaking with other blokes as well , the only way I knew to shift it was paying a guy with a crane truck . That added cost put me right off buying the cheap heavy stuff. It wasn't just the trucking to where I worked . The place I worked at was also difficult to unload and get things in . Depending on what it was and where it was going .
The whole Idea of buying old stuff changed the day a new friend who knew how to move stuff showed me with this 36' L. S. Barker band saw which I bought for $400 .
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We stripped everything off
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We were on a slope so tilted the trailer more using the jockey wheel . It took a few of us to tip the frame of the band saw over and rest it on the trailer . With a short timber ramp and a few more lifts we had it in
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And thats how it went home
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Getting it in at the other end was the first way I tried the two greased rail idea . Except it was wooden sleepers with wax rubbed on and a block and tackle .
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Once I had done that and started to learn that anything is possible A few other ways were tried before ending up with the ramp idea .
The sheer leg idea was tried . Once !! It worked but I was scared by it . To many things to get right and if it went wrong the machine was finished or someone could have been injured or worse . Those two legs were made to go back and forward by a block and tackle attached to the tow bar of the car . And another block and tackle raised and lowered the machine . . The ankles of the legs were chained to the trailer . If it went back past top dead center it would fall on the car .
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I went back to using engine hoist to lifting things down to the ground off the trailer . It works but was also pretty risky of machine damage . Much safer for the person though . When going out buying I had managed to get things lifted on for me by forklift , It was only getting things off at my end that was a bit tricky.
So over a number of years I had gathered 30 3 phase machines machines.
And then one day I had to move it all to a new location 2.5 hours away .
So the ramp idea was used . It was very versatile . It solved many problems , very slowly though .
Loading three machines and unloading at the other end was a two day each end struggle
If I had plenty of money Id of had a tractor with Front end loader forks. One tractor at each of the two locations and slings .
Rob
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6th February 2020, 07:57 PM #26
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I'll be doing the same shinanigans in a couple of weeks. Drive from Brisbane to Hervey Bay, pickup a 100yr old Crecsent Bandsaw and drive it all the way back to Brisbane. I think it weights about 650kg from the little bit of research I did. My problem is the saw is in a 3 bay garage I hope the shed frame can take the weight of the stripped down saw (basically frame only). I then have to get it high enough in the air to get my ute under it (its a 4WD Hilux with a lift kit) I am thinking I might just save myself a bunch of blood sweat and tears and hire a $50 tilt tray trailer and pull a Rob job as per the above post - thanks Rob and thanks for the chat last night about all things Wadkin
Shane over in the US has some pics about 1/2 way down the post below:
https://thepatriotwoodworker.com/for...hAEAo#comments - Beautiful restore have a scroll through this post! Love me or hate me I am thinking of painting my saw the same colour (Myford Aqua), I've seen some Wadkin machines in the same colour.
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6th February 2020, 08:14 PM #27
Box trucks with a tail lift can often be had a bit cheaper mid week, I hired one for my last couple of machine pickups and it was so worth it. Less than $150 IIRC.
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6th February 2020, 08:25 PM #28
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Agree 100%, the trailer is the go, take some old smallish tyres to put under it to absorb shocks etc, most places will happily give them to you to save them the cost of disposal.
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11th February 2020, 10:02 AM #29
oops. Saturday came and I went to collect the beast.
unfortunately, while taking off the table, it slipped and jammed my right index finger - result: laceration, crushed bone and damaged nail bed and 2 days in hospital.
The seller has to get the thing out of his factory by Friday and I am not sure how to achieve that. I suppose I could hire a HIAB but I would need a driver. But I also need to get the trailer back from the seller's place.
Picture of damaged hand - no gore
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Jeremy
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11th February 2020, 12:30 PM #30
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Ouch!
If I was nearer I'd swing around to assist, but I'm a long way up the motorway.
Must be a local firm with a truck and crane that could at least get it home for you. Chuck a tarp over it and hope the deluge stops!
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