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    Default Mystery Saw - Looks English.

    A weird-looking saw showed-up on this side of the Ditch last week.

    aMS1.jpg

    aMS5.jpg aMS3.jpg

    aMS2.jpg aMS6.jpg aMS4.jpg

    It looks old English to me (though Matty will probably tell me I'm wrong and it's American ).

    The crown guard and support arms look very much like they're off a Wadkin PK...

    aMS7.jpg

    ...but the rest of the saw doesn't look right for a Wadkin. For instance the 4-spoke handwheel and its inclined shaft aren't familiar - Wadkin tended to use 3, 5 or 6 spoke handwheels. On the other hand, the broken handwheel looks like it had 5 or 6 spokes.

    Another thing to note are the shallow tee slots in the table for the protractor - I'm sure there was a protractor posted recently with a matching bar (either here or on CWW).

    Anyone able to suggest the origins of this saw? A frankensaw maybe?

    Cheers, Vann.
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    That crown guard support is a spit of a pk one. It looks like the top tilts. I can see M and AM cast into the front

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    I'll go one further and guess that bottom word is something like AMEMO which sounds like Italian or Spanish.... could be one of the odd machines that come from other European countries.

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    Maybe AMENIC or AMENIO

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    Casting looks like it reads “Made in America”

    You can see an M up top, then below it the legs of an N then below that AME and the lower bits of what could be RICA

    Just a guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lappa View Post
    Casting looks like it reads “Made in America”

    You can see an M up top, then below it the legs of an N then below that AME and the lower bits of what could be RICA

    Just a guess?
    I think you might be right Lappa..... Now all me need is for someone to recognize this beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lappa View Post
    Casting looks like it reads “Made in America”

    You can see an M up top, then below it the legs of an N then below that AME and the lower bits of what could be RICA.
    Costa RICA?

    But seriously. MADE IN (one line) to make the spacing right. I agree that AMERI would fit.

    aMS9.jpg

    I'm not 100% sure the next letter is a C - at first I thought it was a D (I blame shadows) but I now agree it's round - but comes up a little high for a C on the right-hand side. But C (& A out of sight) would make sense.



    Quote Originally Posted by Vann
    ...Another thing to note are the shallow tee slots in the table for the protractor - I'm sure there was a protractor posted recently with a matching bar (either here or on CWW)...
    I found this protractor photo on CWW. It's said to be off a Wadkin PK, but the Tee bar suggests to me it's off a tilting table saw.

    aMS8.jpg

    Maybe off a Wadkin PL (the tilting top predecessor to the PK). Anyway, I'm 99% sure that base isn't a Wadkin base.

    Where's Matty when you want his wisdom?

    Cheers, Vann.
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    When I first saw it I was thinking Oliver.... But definitely not that.. but certainly has the look of an Oliver machine which makes me lean toward an American manufacturer. Are you going to rescue this old girl Vann? It looks like its in a scrap yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post


    For instance the 4-spoke handwheel and its inclined shaft aren't familiar - Wadkin tended to use 3, 5 or 6 spoke handwheels. On the other hand, the broken handwheel looks like it had 5 or 6 spokes.
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    I think that the broken handwheel is 4 spoke as well.... The castings are similar to the Oliver Machines as well.

    Interesting electricals... On/off switch and a keyed switch then you come to the front and there are more switches.....sure this wasn't owned by the secret service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaza58 View Post
    When I first saw it I was thinking Oliver...
    I too have been looking at American machines (over on VM), but not found anything yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaza58 View Post
    ...Are you going to rescue this old girl Vann?...
    Unlikely (but not impossible). I don't have the room and the price is too high for a spec machine.

    I believe the extra switchgear is for an extractor. I love the English MEM starter .

    Cheers, Vann.
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    I was going to say Yates American no 1
    Melbourne Matty.

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    Default Yates-American Machice Co. Inc. No.1

    Quote Originally Posted by L.S.Barker1970 View Post
    I was going to say Yates American no 1.
    I think you've nailed it Matty.

    aMS4.jpg aMS12.jpg Photo from vintagemachinery.org.

    So the text on the casting possibly reads:
    "MODEL 6"
    "No.1"
    "AMERICAN"

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post
    I think you've nailed it Matty.

    aMS4.jpg aMS12.jpg Photo from vintagemachinery.org.

    So the text on the casting possibly reads:
    "MODEL 6"
    "No.1"
    "AMERICAN"

    Cheers, Vann.
    Vann, fascinating that a US made machine would turn up in NZ, l mean let's face it, would there be two of those saws over there, three at best ?!
    Little characteristics are the give away with spotting these machines, your photos show that Vann, well done !
    Melbourne Matty.

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    Hi Matty,
    nice saw!
    Would look so good next to a nice old jointer!
    Both Americans so they could keep each other company in this hostile Antipodean world.

    Have fun,
    Alli

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allison74 View Post
    Hi Matty,
    nice saw!
    Would look so good next to a nice old jointer!
    Both Americans so they could keep each other company in this hostile Antipodean world.

    Have fun,
    Alli
    Hi Miss Alli, well yes that would be fantastic, but all the way over in NZ l may have to talk nicely to Vann !
    Melbourne Matty.

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