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    I put this in general woodwork asking about choices but have now decided to keep this record vice1.jpgrecord vice2.jpgrecord vice3.jpg

    Its rough and while building my work bench/table think its a good idea to clean up. Ive got all dismantled apart from the pin at end of screw thread that allows everything to fall off. Stubborn little sod dont want to move. Have soaked in Inox but still no go.

    How far go I go in cleaning or rebuilding, having NEVER done anything like this before. Someone suggested soaking in vinegar.

    show my ignorance here, apple cider, malt, white what vinegar? what does it do? Should I get the metal plates powder coated or just paint myself?

    advise me please
    I would love to grow my own food, but I can not find bacon seeds

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    White vinegar is what I use - cheap at $1.20 for 2L. But it is only for rust. The acid in the vinegar reacts with the rust and dissolves it. No good for oil or paint. I'm unsure what the goop is that you are referring to but probably oil mixed with sawdust/metal filings.
    As for painting - do it yourself. Easy for touch-ups if necessary down the track.

    Stewie

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    Yep you have to get rid of oil and grease.
    I'd do something like.

    Take it apart
    Wipe off excess grease and oil.
    Simmer in large pot with some cheap detergent (clothes washing detergent) is pretty good.
    Remove from detergent and wash with hose, if still greasy repeat previous step.
    Soak in cheap vinegar, you can leave it for a week or two if needs be - my testing shows it won't remove too much metal (~0.5% per month)
    Rust may not appear to be coming off - check by rubbing rusty surfaces.
    Once rust is gone remove from vinegar - DO NOT rinse of parts with water or it will start rusting almost immediately.
    Blow dry with compressor and then leave it in the sun (not rain) until it is dry.
    Paint required parts,
    Apply oil/grease to other other exposed steel parts.

    Alternative are electrolysis (not worth it for a one of item) or other acids like Citrc or Oxalic.
    These have even less metal loss, and (especially the Oxalic) better/longer exposed metal protection.
    Once agin do not rinse off the acid on the surfaces after treatafter rust removal remaining but blow, oven or sun dry.

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    Hi Tony,

    I had a similar situation with an old record vice on a bench I inherited, all I did was strip it down and clean the parts with an angle grinder with a wire wheel.
    I used a bit of emery for the bits that the wheel couldn't get and then painted it with a rattle can of hammer finish paint.
    Made some new jaws and greased it up, it works a treat now.

    Rick
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    I know its expensive ... but Evaporust is the only stuff that attacks rust without any of the metal..... You might get away with Vinegar on this one but don't leave it in for very long as it doesn't just stop at the rust. I also use electrolysis and found that pretty good for really heavy rust..... No matter what you use... as has been said by others you need to get the grease etc off before hand... Engine de-greaser and a Gurney will sort most that. Those are good vises and worth the effort of bringing them back to life. As far as paint goes...I would get some rattle can Hammer finish in whatever colour that you want it to be... It dries to a very durable finish. Share some progress shots.. will be interested in seeing how it comes up.
    Gaza

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    thank you all, very encouraging info to work with.

    yes will get progress shots, but my 99.5 year old dad in NZ has suddenly gone down hill, he is in hospital and will not be coming out. Lucky bugga, great health, good sight in one eye, hearing is shot (but quote ' at least I am (was) in my own unit and can block out the old bags trying to get me involved, pigs ass, you wont get me with them . so sometime this week I fly out for a few days.
    I would love to grow my own food, but I can not find bacon seeds

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    Sorry to hear about your dad. Hope your trip across the Ditch isn't too sad.

    I can't tell what model your vise is, but it looks like a No.52 or No.52.5 - whichever, it's a newish model, but old enough to be an English made one, so should be a good vise - at least one you've de-rusted it.

    I dislike hammered paints - just saying.

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Here is a link to a page to help identify the version of the vice
    the Record 52 1/2 vice - the small workshop

    I think mine is a version 6
    looks like yours is a version 7

    Rick

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