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    Default Wadkin JY Bobbin Sander

    So I thought I had already posted this here, but either my memory has failed me, or I just can't find the post, so if I have posted this already then I apologise.

    This is a story of acquiring the right machine for my workshop and needs, and also an example of the machine whisperer at work (AKA Henry, Clear Out).

    A fair while ago, I managed to acquire a Wadkin JT Disk and bobbin sander. A beautiful machine, but was far too large for my needs and was taking up valuable floor space. One day in conversation, Henry said he was looking for a JT, and I asked him what he would do with his JY bobbin sander, he planned to sell it.....hmmmm.

    Well you guessed it, we ended up swapping. Some might debate who got the better deal, but for me, I was always after the JY, but settled for the JT when I couldn't find one. The JY suits my needs, and Henry got the machine that suits his needs, so it was a great swap.





    So back in October I think (like I said, I thought I had posted), Henry came up to my place, unloaded the JY and we loaded the JT.

    I only had one regret about the trade, Henry's JY (well mine now is a very early example, and every JY bobbin sander I have seen before in the past, had a dust extraction port cast into the table, this one does not (you may notice the curved corners on all sides). Now it's very cool to have an early example, but you can imagine the dust this machine would produce. To my surprise, Henry said he thought he might know were another table might be for a JY, all I kept thinking is I've been searching for years for a JY with no luck, and Henry not only has a JY, but thinks he know were a spare table is....lol.

    Well about a week later true to his word......



    As you can see this one has the built in dust chute.

    Now this isn't the first time Henry has found what I consider to be Unobtainium, and for this, I now call him the machine whisperer, and I am truly grateful.

    So that's my story of a good trade, and Henry the machine whisperer.

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    Nice little Wadkin there Camo .
    The later table pictured , does that do it's sucking between the cast top and a fitted steel sheet on the under side of the top?
    It looks like it must be that way . Interesting thanks, I never knew that .

    You have machine no 107 , I recently learned that they started the numbering of a new model off at no 100 as you know , so you have the 7th JY made ,
    is that right ? . Is there a similar wadkin machine that precedes the JY with a different name , like the JX Or was this type of JY the first of them ?

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by auscab View Post


    Is there a similar wadkin machine that precedes the JY with a different name , like the JX Or was this type of JY the first of them ?

    Rob
    The JU was the machine before the JY, Rob its too bad we didn't spot this one before Cam, it would of been a quick trip in the ute over the border, no trailer needed...lol
    Cam you did well mate !
    I to have been on the hunt for one of those for many years, no joy but I do know where one is hiding .....(no not yours Cam, another)
    It is interesting to note that in the catalogue cut below that the front cover machine has the dust chute and yet on another example inside the brochure one with no dust chute.
    I would have that JY over many other sanders Cam, its a keeper ...





    Melbourne Matty.

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    Matty this I picked up in Bendigo or Ballarat a few years ago.
    I went down to pick up some extra bits for a Triumph Mayflower I'd bought down in Vic.
    My bro came with me and we also went to the Wolsley farm to get a gear bag for his MGA.
    The big disappointment was the ban my wife put on me bringing back a Bofors gun for the front garden from the closing down auction at the tank museum.
    They did have a couple of Aussie cruiser tanks and the major casting of another's hull, now that would have been something to keep the neighbours guessing

    Our PC is kaput currently or I'd have dig thru my cattle dogs re the early sanders.
    We are heading down your way over the next week,the wife's sister is out here from Canada and we thought we'd better show her some cultural stuff.
    H.
    Jimcracks for the rich and/or wealthy. (aka GKB '88)

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    Quote Originally Posted by auscab View Post
    Nice little Wadkin there Camo .
    The later table pictured , does that do it's sucking between the cast top and a fitted steel sheet on the under side of the top?
    It looks like it must be that way . Interesting thanks, I never knew that .

    You have machine no 107 , I recently learned that they started the numbering of a new model off at no 100 as you know , so you have the 7th JY made ,
    is that right ? . Is there a similar wadkin machine that precedes the JY with a different name , like the JX Or was this type of JY the first of them ?

    Rob
    Here is a couple of better pictures (maybe) to show the dust chute on the newer table.





    that picture I showed in the first post, ignore what looks like an off centre clean insert (the table is just sitting on something).

    I had heard before people talking about machine numbers starting at 100, but have never been too sure how confirmed this is. I'm guessing it was bought up in your PK post, did anyone have any information to confirm it?. I could see companies doing something like that (you want to look like you've had lots of interest, so why start at 1).

    As Matty said, the JU was the predecessor, but from what I understand (from the catalogue cuts I have) the JY was the first of Wadkins direct drive?

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    Matty,


    You always surprise me!!!! I didn't think anyone would have a catalogue image of a JY without the dust extraction Chute in the table. I've got a 1929 catalogue with the JU in it, and from the looks of it, your catalogue is 1944, any idea when the JY started (based on your catalogues?



    Quote Originally Posted by L.S.Barker1970 View Post




    Funny how just above the picture of the JY with no chute, they describe the inbuilt Chute (Someone washy paying attention).

    Thanks for the images, and kind words, oh and like I said before, you and Rob are only allowed to buy machines listed in Victoria...lol.

    cheers,

    Camo

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    Quote Originally Posted by clear out View Post
    Matty this I picked up in Bendigo or Ballarat a few years ago.
    I went down to pick up some extra bits for a Triumph Mayflower I'd bought down in Vic.
    My bro came with me and we also went to the Wolsley farm to get a gear bag for his MGA.
    The big disappointment was the ban my wife put on me bringing back a Bofors gun for the front garden from the closing down auction at the tank museum.
    They did have a couple of Aussie cruiser tanks and the major casting of another's hull, now that would have been something to keep the neighbours guessing

    Our PC is kaput currently or I'd have dig thru my cattle dogs re the early sanders.
    We are heading down your way over the next week,the wife's sister is out here from Canada and we thought we'd better show her some cultural stuff.
    H.
    Henry,

    So it's originally a Victorian machine...lol.

    That Bofors gun would have been perfect for directions "just turn right and the house is on the right, it's the one with the anti-aircraft gun in the garden"

    Hey is the computer dead and buried, or something I may be able to help with? I have been meaning to call you, to drop in next time I am down your way. I am happy to have a look for you and see if I can get it up and running again.

    Cheers,

    Cameron

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    Hey is the computer dead and buried, or something I may be able to help with? I have been meaning to call you, to drop in next time I am down your way. I am happy to have a look for you and see if I can get it up and running again.

    Cheers,

    Cameron[/QUOTE]

    Hi Cam,
    We had something replaced on the PC then when we got it home it won't kick start.
    I guess well just go back up to the shop and try again when we get back from south of the border.
    Those Mexicans are lucky we are not taking my ute this trip or I'd be hauling back some more old arn.
    Ill give you a shout when we're back in New South and catch up.
    H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clear out View Post

    Hi Cam,
    We had something replaced on the PC then when we got it home it won't kick start.
    I guess well just go back up to the shop and try again when we get back from south of the border.
    Those Mexicans are lucky we are not taking my ute this trip or I'd be hauling back some more old arn.
    Ill give you a shout when we're back in New South and catch up.
    H.
    Hey Henry,

    If they replaced something and now it's not working, sounds like a good idea to get them to have a look, but don't let them charge you any more. If they start talking extra charges or more parts, feel free to give me a call. Not saying I'm all of a sudden a computer repair man, but with my old businesses, I had my fair share of computer problems to fix, so I can at worst have a look for you, at best replace the part and save you some money in labour.

    Cheers,

    Camo

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    Quote Originally Posted by clear out View Post
    Matty this I picked up in Bendigo or Ballarat a few years ago.
    We are heading down your way over the next week,the wife's sister is out here from Canada and we thought we'd better show her some cultural stuff.
    H.
    Henry, I don't know what to say, I feel bad now about my trip over to see Cam and pick some goodies up, may be I'll get there and Cam won't answer his phone ...lol
    As for Cultural stuff, we have the Calder Park Drags on friday night, King st night clubs in the city can be quite colorful too.
    Hope some of these recommendations help ....

    Melbourne Matty.

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    Hi Cam.
    Now that's a nice sander, just what I'm looking for. You've given me renewed hope that i can find one.

    have fun,
    Alli

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allison74 View Post
    Hi Cam.
    Now that's a nice sander, just what I'm looking for. You've given me renewed hope that i can find one.

    have fun,
    Alli
    Hey Alli,

    Good to hear from you, hope things are well and thanks for your kind words. I think it's a harder machine to find, as they probably trade hands without being listed publicly. I had certainly been searching for this machine, long and hard, but typically it was when I had fully given up, that the opportunity arose.

    Hope you find one, I'm sure you will put it to work.

    Cheers,

    Camo

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    Hi Cam,
    I'm doing well and yourself?
    I'm busy working on my Wadkin Pattern Mill, it's going really well. No nasty surprises yet which is good.
    Maybe I should start a thread here.
    I put one up on the OWWM site.

    Have fun,
    Alli

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    That disk sander on page 4 is a demon!

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    That is certainly an interesting shot of the 2 sanders.
    The double disc has no guarding whatsoever but looking on the floor between the operators leg and machine on our side is what appears to be a dust chute going thru the floor.
    On the combo disc and bobbin the dust chute is above that location.
    The bobbin appears to have an above table collector which then goes straight down thru the floor also.
    Barker made a similar double disc, there was one on the 'bay recently up in Queensland.
    There was at least one local bobbin manufacturer, I picked one up from an auction years ago here in Sydney for a mate from Kyogle. I took a copy of the instructions which has the makers info on it. When I get back to Sydney I will dig it out and post it.
    I was offered a bobbin a few years back but never chased it up as I already had one.
    Might see if I can find the card he gave me.
    The first bobbin I owned came from Slazengers closing down auction here in Sydney it was a spindle with 2 motors, one for the up and down and one for the spin. Both external, one even had a twisted flat belt. I modded it so the spin one was inboard and went up and down. Don't know if the guys I sold it to still have it but if they do will put up pics.
    H.
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