Thread: Challenge 2020-2021 Chief Tiff

Originally Posted by Chief Tiff

You got it absolutely spot on. But by keeping it to yourself you waive all bragging rights...

That's alright. I just want to keep the tension up.

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Was it part of Stanleys stable?

Originally Posted by Mountain Ash

Was it part of Stanleys stable?

Yes it was! Production stopped around the time the US entered The Great War

Originally Posted by Chief Tiff

Yes it was! Production stopped around the time the US entered The Great War

Towards the end of the war then...

Ok, this will be the last pictorial hint; the business end:

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It does sort of look like a cast iron horned cyclops is about to get all operatic....

Hmm.....

A No.69 ?


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Regards
Paul

Edit: Moved pic. Previous computer would only install as a thumbnail

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

Hmm.....

A No.69 ?



Regards
Paul

Whoa! I think Paul's right. The suspense is killing me.

I thought Chief respectively asked us not to give it away???

Cheers Matt.

Yes; the Stanley 69 hand beader!

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I own a pair of Stanley 66 beading tools and a Veritas wooden beader but these all suffer from one simple problem; they are designed to be worked from a reference edge. What set the 69 apart from every other design is that it could be used anywhere on a board or a panel.
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It had a production life of less than 2 decades, stopping in 1917. So basically for the last 100 years the world’s woodworking community has been unable to truly enjoy the benefits of scratching away from an edge. Obviously there have been both wooden and metal planes that could perform this task but nothing quite so cute and easily adaptable.

Lie Nielson makes a beautiful copy of the Stanley 66 in bronze
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And Veritas made two; the traditional wooden type and a metal monstrosity best described as a “thing”...
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Veritas have been on occasion been accused of presenting aesthetically displeasing tools; the comments have usually been directed at only some design elements such as the handles. In this however they excelled in producing the tool equivalent of Norman Gunston. Perhaps the design was outsourced to a Korean think-tank who’d shared a dodgy spaniel that lunchtime; who knows?

But I digress. As stated the problem with all the modern equivalents is that they can’t be easily adapted to work away from an edge; even more so for the Veritas where you‘d be doing so blindfolded and wearing gloves.

So;
My offering into this competition will be a two-step process. Firstly I will be making as near a copy of the 69 as I can; but fabricated from brass and stainless plate dovetailed together. This will be used to prove the design and construction elements. However my main entry will be to design and build the modern equivalent using a similar design philosophy that Veritas adopt. It will likely have a longer handle and definitely have a longer nose to allow two handed use. I also want to explore the possibility of adding a detachable trammel bar to allow it to be used to cut arcs or circular patterns.

So there you have it. And now everyone can sit back and wallow in the crushing disappointment of my revelation.

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Bob

Originally Posted by Oldgreybeard

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Sorry Bob; they were the original pics I pulled off of the interweb and stored on my I-thing, but when I published the post they didn’t show. I then jumped onto my laptop and added the proper file types but then couldn’t get rid of the “attachments” Finally I’ve gone back to my I-thing and edited again; this time I could see both sets of pics and deleted the first lot.
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Originally Posted by Simplicity

I thought Chief respectively asked us not to give it away???

Cheers Matt.

No, no; I wanted people to get it! Cklett got it almost immediately; but out of consideration for the less nerdy he graciously allowed the suffering to continue.

Having confirmed MA’s query regarding if it was a Stanley offering it should have been a simple task to “go through the numbers” on either Patrick’s “Blood and Gore” or Hans Brunner’s “Stanleys by Number“; but it looks like Paul heroically searched through the rare vintage Stanley catalogues to find it.

Originally Posted by Chief Tiff

No, no; I wanted people to get it! Cklett got it almost immediately; but out of consideration for the less nerdy he graciously allowed the suffering to continue.

Having confirmed MA’s query regarding if it was a Stanley offering it should have been a simple task to “go through the numbers” on either Patrick’s “Blood and Gore” or Hans Brunner’s “Stanleys by Number“; but it looks like Paul heroically searched through the rare vintage Stanley catalogues to find it.

Chief

Actually that was my second attempt as you know. I am not sure about heroically as I don't wish to fall foul of Lappa from post No.2316.

Once you gave us Stanley and pre WW1 it was not difficult, although my first guess was a No. 82 Scraper because of the handle:

Stanley No.82 Scraper Plane. 1900.jpg

Once you gave us the business end, it was easier. In my defense I was slightly thrown by the 1900 and 1912 catalogues not showing the No. 69. After the second clue I found the No.69 in the 1914 and 1915 catalogues.

I hope that is not too nerdy

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Chief Tiff

No, no; I wanted people to get it! Cklett got it almost immediately; but out of consideration for the less nerdy he graciously allowed the suffering to continue.

Having confirmed MA’s query regarding if it was a Stanley offering it should have been a simple task to “go through the numbers” on either Patrick’s “Blood and Gore” or Hans Brunner’s “Stanleys by Number“; but it looks like Paul heroically searched through the rare vintage Stanley catalogues to find it.

I retract my comments your esteem honour.

Cheers Matt.