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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    Paul, if I were prototyping the brute (which to be fair has the potential to be a rather handsome fellow when scrubbed up - a John Wayne of planes maybe?!), I would need to spend some time deciding just where to put the handle/tote. With this low-angle design (I'm presuming you won't be fitting a screw adjuster), you will need enough room to tap the end of the blade for setting, but you will want the handle far enough forward to give it a good "action". It's really hard to know where the best position will be just by eyeballing the plane. I'd saw or router a shallow slot in the rear rough infill and knock up a handle with a couple of screw-holes in the projecting 'toe' so I could screw it down at various points and test-fit the blade, or a mock-up of the blade. You'll get some idea from hefting it & making mock passes over a bit of wood how much room you can allow without getting the handle too far to the rear & making it awkward to push.

    I hadn't realised you were doing a low-angle BU job - you probably mentioned it earlier & I've missed or forgotten it & already said how you intend cutting the mouth & blade-bed. You really do like a challenge, don't you! Cutting a low-angle mouth in a solid sole with hand tools isn't impossible, but I reckon it would be exceedingly difficult. I've not attempted it, so can't speak from experience, but I do know you can't get even the thinnest of files through flat on the the bed for a 15 degree bed angle unless you open the mouth way beyond reasonable. They often tout it as a great virtue, but methinks the reason manufacturers put adjustable toe-pieces on their low-angle jobs with cast bodies has more to do with this problem than giving users something extra to play with.

    I saw a thread on a UK forum where a bloke did a low-angle mouth in a solid sole with a milling machine without too much bother. Do you have a decent mill at your workplace with an operator who is susceptible to small inducements like a slab of beer? Given that the organisers have re-defined slightly more relaxed "rules" about external help ( ), I'm sure the judges wouldn't treat you too harshly for calling in the heavy artillery at such a crucial stage of the battle - I wouldn't knock more than 50% off your point score, anyway......

    Cheers,
    Thanks Ian for the pointers.

    I have an idea that gets around some of the issues you have raised, but this in itself raises more issues. There is more to come in this regard, Yes, for my first plane build ( actually it is the second as I did make a wooden shoulder plane a while back) I have gone in at the deep end.

    I have taken on board many of the issues you have raised. The positioning of the handle being one of some concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheets View Post
    Good to see some progress. That's going to be a brute - so I Dub thee, "The Brute". How's that?

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    "The Brute" it is! Please award yourself a free beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplicity View Post
    Brute, or Brutess,

    Either way he’s not coming near my “Body”

    Paul the shot of the end of the plane, is the soul thickness consistent across the width of the plane.
    Or should I book a optometrist appointment.

    Cheers Matt.
    Matt

    I am keeping "The Brute" on a short tether. (Actually, I did think perhaps "The Monster" after Frankenstein's creation or the naked motorcycle made by Ducati). However, either way, I think you should take all sensible precautions to protect "The Body" from unwanted attention.

    I think the slight irregularity you see at the front of the plane is where I was cutting the steel and when I round off the front that should go. I will check this. Don't go wasting your money on optometrists just yet. As I said, the camera often seems to highlight faults that were never obvious to the naked eye. Thank you for mentioning this in front of the judges' tender eyes, who incidentally I think are wonderful, beautiful people of the utmost integrity and very unlikely to be swayed by cheap shots at material failings.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplicity View Post
    Brute, or Brutess,

    Either way he’s not coming near my “Body”
    You should be able to use The Nuke as a deterrent and Triplane as an early warning arial observer...
    Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Tiff View Post
    You should be able to use The Nuke as a deterrent and Triplane as an early warning arial observer...
    and the T-2012 is pulling everything away, which gets too close

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Thanks Ian for the pointers.

    I have an idea that gets around some of the issues you have raised, but this in itself raises more issues. There is more to come in this regard, Yes, for my first plane build ( actually it is the second as I did make a wooden shoulder plane a while back) I have gone in at the deep end.

    I have taken on board many of the issues you have raised. The positioning of the handle being one of some concern.

    Regards
    Paul
    I'll be watching this closely as I am still thinking how to solve the mouth issue on my shooting plane, which is on hold for now due to the challenge....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Matt

    I am keeping "The Brute" on a short tether. (Actually, I did think perhaps "The Monster" after Frankenstein's creation or the naked motorcycle made by Ducati). However, either way, I think you should take all sensible precautions to protect "The Body" from unwanted attention.

    I think the slight irregularity you see at the front of the plane is where I was cutting the steel and when I round off the front that should go. I will check this. Don't go wasting your money on optometrists just yet. As I said, the camera often seems to highlight faults that were never obvious to the naked eye. Thank you for mentioning this in front of the judges' tender eyes, who incidentally I think are wonderful, beautiful people of the utmost integrity and very unlikely to be swayed by cheap shots at material failings.



    Regards
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    Maybe Matt should see about his eyesight - considering the state of the Body,...

    But here is an opportunity for you to add some really impressive complexity to the Brute - now that Ian has pointed out how easy it is to make a simple BULA (and possibly minus 50%; doesn't leave you much hope of a decent score at all) - you can add a skew angle to compensate for that slope Matt has detected/invented and cleverly account for any lax tolerances (due to run-of-the-mill channel steel that is). You know, give the Brute a sophisticated slant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Thanks Ian for the pointers.

    I have an idea that gets around some of the issues you have raised, but this in itself raises more issues. There is more to come in this regard, Yes, for my first plane build ( actually it is the second as I did make a wooden shoulder plane a while back) I have gone in at the deep end.

    I have taken on board many of the issues you have raised. The positioning of the handle being one of some concern.

    Regards
    Paul
    Just in case I’m right,
    Are you indenting Paul , on give your plane a welded in mouth piece, something akin to Jaws from James Bond the spy who loved me,Moonraker?.

    The End seen in Moonraker always pulls at my heart strings.[emoji8]

    Cheers Matt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheets View Post
    Maybe Matt should see about his eyesight - considering the state of the Body,...

    But here is an opportunity for you to add some really impressive complexity to the Brute - now that Ian has pointed out how easy it is to make a simple BULA (and possibly minus 50%; doesn't leave you much hope of a decent score at all) - you can add a skew angle to compensate for that slope Matt has detected/invented and cleverly account for any lax tolerances (due to run-of-the-mill channel steel that is). You know, give the Brute a sophisticated slant.

    Steve
    Steve

    I think Matt may have been studying "The Body" a little too closely and that is what is affecting his eyesight. Let's hope he finishes it before he goes completely blind.

    I don't know about these time extensions discussed in other threads. I think I would settle for an age handicap....Half a tick, I already have that. What I mean is I need to be allowed to start at the 300m mark in a 400m race: That sort of a handicap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplicity View Post
    Just in case I’m right,
    Are you indenting Paul , on give your plane a welded in mouth piece, something akin to Jaws from James Bond the spy who loved me,Moonraker?.

    The End seen in Moonraker always pulls at my heart strings.[emoji8]

    Cheers Matt.
    Not really Matt, but here are a few teaser pix:

    P1070080 (Medium).JPGP1070081 (Medium).JPG

    About one minute on the fibre wheel and they's all fancied up.

    P1070083 (Medium).JPG P1070087 (Medium).JPG

    The clues are there but you have to interpret them. Tomorrow I hope to get up the courage to cut the mouth. I might have to have a steadying drink tonight.

    I do recall "jaws" but don't recall the lovely lady. Now that is worrying and is probably indicative of my psychological state of mind. I might have to binge on the Bond movies. Actually I am getting a flashback even as I am about to sign off. Does jaws walk off into the sunset with a tiny girl of "plane" appearance?

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    A very small update. I took the plunge with the mouth. I am going with a tight mouth because everybody likes a tight mouth, particularly with a bevel up blade.

    P1070099 (Medium).JPGP1070100 (Medium).JPG

    There's a bit of filing to go yet .

    What do you think? Will I need to open it up a little for clearance?

    Regards
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    PS: Note to myself. Must plug up the drainage hole!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    A very small update. I took the plunge with the mouth. I am going with a tight mouth because everybody likes a tight mouth, particularly with a bevel up blade.

    P1070099 (Medium).JPGP1070100 (Medium).JPG

    There's a bit of filing to go yet .

    What do you think? Will I need to open it up a little for clearance?

    Regards
    Paul

    PS: Note to myself. Must plug up the drainage hole!
    Immm,
    I think I’m on too ya.
    But then maybe not.

    Cheers Matt.

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    When looking side-on at the sole you can clearly see an undeniable connection between The Brute and Richard Kiel

    Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picko View Post
    It’s a tenuous link back to post 128...
    Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.

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