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    Could a MODERATOR check my account due to not putting up Derek's photos.
    I have to go through that "I am Human" procedure to get into the Forum and I am wondering if that has disabled the Photo function. Up until today I have been able to view what ever. Today......OK we are having rain so could the photos have been washed away as the the signal goes through the air?
    Just do it!

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    I think the box looks great as it is. But I do want to know how you'd do it. So I'd say, add the texture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cklett View Post
    I think the box looks great as it is. But I do want to know how you'd do it. So I'd say, add the texture.

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    As I mentioned at the start, I had doubts that this was the box to start with textured patterns. These are intended to enhance a plain surface, and the figure here does not need it. The next box, which is underway, is Makore with some lovely pinks and browns but otherwise plain. A much better choice.

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    Hey Derek,

    I came across this mob during one of our arduous lockdowns. I loved their designs and their integration of indigenous culture/design. Some of their designs are born from a collaboration with a furniture designer and an indigenous artist.

    PIECES — Manapan - Inspired Indigenous Furniture

    Your post reminded me that I could now visit their Melbourne showroom, so thanks!


    One idea could be to (if/where possible) get in touch with someone with indigenous background - whether it be local to you or the red centre are - and and ask if they'd like to collaborate on an idea? I know that such a task is often easier said than done, however it could be quite an experience if it was to work out.

    I've made some 'sculpture pieces' out of raw bark and branches in the past. The resulting pieces were the furthest from 'cubism' as can probably be imagined however it really broadened my horizons regarding my appreciation of the natural nuances already contained within the wood. eg. Why join two pieces at a 45'/90' angle when I can find a single piece of wood that it is arguably stronger. (Think crotches/knees in ship building and green wood frames).

    Relevant to your project, what about finding thin bark full of fantastic patterns etc and laminating it onto the drawer front?

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    Going back to post #1 with Uluru, perhaps the box can be wire-brushed/sandblasted and pitted to simulate extreme age?

    Use the sandblaster to remove the various soft parts. Make it look as if its gnarled desert oak?


    On the inside of the drawer, paint the sides with murals similar to the insides of the caves, plus a "hidden" one on the rear of the drawer?

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    edit - "wall" art for the insides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldmeadow View Post
    Hey Derek,

    I came across this mob during one of our arduous lockdowns. I loved their designs and their integration of indigenous culture/design. Some of their designs are born from a collaboration with a furniture designer and an indigenous artist.

    PIECES — Manapan - Inspired Indigenous Furniture

    Your post reminded me that I could now visit their Melbourne showroom, so thanks!


    One idea could be to (if/where possible) get in touch with someone with indigenous background - whether it be local to you or the red centre are - and and ask if they'd like to collaborate on an idea? I know that such a task is often easier said than done, however it could be quite an experience if it was to work out.

    I've made some 'sculpture pieces' out of raw bark and branches in the past. The resulting pieces were the furthest from 'cubism' as can probably be imagined however it really broadened my horizons regarding my appreciation of the natural nuances already contained within the wood. eg. Why join two pieces at a 45'/90' angle when I can find a single piece of wood that it is arguably stronger. (Think crotches/knees in ship building and green wood frames).

    Relevant to your project, what about finding thin bark full of fantastic patterns etc and laminating it onto the drawer front?
    Thanks for this. I was very excited and went to the website. This was a bit of a let down (unless I am looking at the wrong section. The designers are all non-Aboriginal and the designs do not incorporate Aboriginal features. The pieces are made by an Aboriginal community for the designers. This is the connection. There are a couple of very simple pieces, such as a phone holder, but these are painted and not carved.






















    Still, very nice designs in the furniture section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    Going back to post #1 with Uluru, perhaps the box can be wire-brushed/sandblasted and pitted to simulate extreme age?

    Use the sandblaster to remove the various soft parts. Make it look as if its gnarled desert oak?


    On the inside of the drawer, paint the sides with murals similar to the insides of the caves, plus a "hidden" one on the rear of the drawer?

    6169e6e5b07d64c3bd0832a1cd2636ef.jpg

    edit - "wall" art for the insides?

    a0b8262266d4d69a0a037cdefe75614a--aboriginal-dreamtime-aboriginal-artists.jpg 57368b249e782ef9f5ecc023ab6f0089--australian-continent-aboriginal-dreamtime.jpg

    Thanks Evan. Sand blasting is out - I wouldn't know what to do!

    But I have seen those examples of wall art, and have been trying to emulate some of the designs on wood. The current box is Makore and suited to be a canvas. What I want to do is leave a pattern in the wood, rather than paint on top of it. This is not that straightforward - imagine those paintings were black-and-white, and you add a series of "dots" to the surface. Without colour it soon becomes a mass of holes and loses definition. Consequently, I have realised that it is better to reduce these complex designs to a skeleton, and focus on that. This is what I am practicing at present.

    Regards from Perth

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    The designers are all non-Aboriginal and the designs do not incorporate Aboriginal features.

    Derek
    I was referring to the furniture pieces such as the Art Bench and Woven 'Chloe' Cabinet. I liked that the distinctive elements were made by indigenous people and incorporated into the piece.

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    Box number 2


    Originally I planned to make 3 boxes, one each for the godparents, and a ring box for the wedding ceremony. Then Lynndy, my dear wife, suggested making one for my soon-to-be daughter-in-law's parents (who are great people with whom we get on so well). So, now there are four boxes.


    I decided to build this box next. And this time to incorporate Aboriginal symbols, as this was not the case with the previous box, where the figure was too nice to disturb.


    The wood for the box is West African Macore, which is wonderful to work with, and has amazing chatoyance. It is perfect for this project as it has little figure or, rather subtle figure.


    Here are the milled boards laid out for joining. The aim here has been to create waterfall sides to the top, both left, right and drawer front.





    Once again, the construction is a mitred through dovetail case with a dovetailed drawer. Overall dimensions are 185mm (7 1/4") wide x 150mm (6") deep and 63mm (2 1/2") high. The case sides are 10mm thick (a little over 3/8").


    The completed box ...





    Waterfall on one side ...





    With drawer extended (a nice piston fit) ...





    Half-blind dovetails at front, through dovetails at the rear ...





    The drawer sides are 6mm (1/4") Tasmanian Oak. No slips on this drawer. Instead, the 3mm (1/8") solid Macore drawer bottom is attached in a 3mm groove ...





    It is free to expand towards the rear, and captured by a round-headed screw in a slot ...





    Now let's took at the symbols of the top of the box ...





    The two circles (three circles within each other) represent a group, in this case, we have two families. The connecting lines, with circles, reveal the journey each taken by two people to join and bring together these two families.


    So, two down and another in the making ...





    Regards from Perth


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    Box #3 - what would you do?

    Last Saturday I built the case for another drawer-box out of Hard Maple. These photos do not do it justice. The wood here is just planed (and needs a little more planing), but already it shimmers and glows. The dovetails seem to float in three dimensions. Very promising.




    I was aiming for waterfall sides, but there was very little interesting figure, and this was at the edge of one side. The side below is engineered to appear as a waterfall. The figure is hard to see in this light. It is subtle and very pretty ...



    The waterfall was possible on other side. With regards figure, the wood is rather plain, but keep in mind that the aim has been to use the wood as a canvas for texturing.
    Unhappily, the board cracked as it went together. I was all glued up already, and no way to reglue the crack. Lynndy noticed it pretty quickly ...


    So, what would you do - toss the box and build another, or use it regardless of the fault?

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    I was wondering, for a waterfall effect, could one cut the tops of the dovetails at an angle so to not have them show?

    Im unsure how to describe this better. Secret dovetails but the dovetails shown? Half-blind with a tiny edge? Half-blind-mitred-dovetail? (the HBMD!)

    The side dovetail would be as-is, but the top would be but a thin line.

    It would certainly increase the difficulty in making the pins/pin-socket....


    edit - like this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    I was wondering, for a waterfall effect, cold one cut the tops of the dovetails at an angle so to not have them show?

    Im unsure how to describe this better. Secret dovetails but the dovetails shown? Half-blind with a tiny edge? Half-blind-mitred-dovetail? (the HBMD!)

    The side dovetail would be as-is, but the top would be but a thin line.

    It would certainly increase the difficulty in making the pins/pin-socket....


    edit - like this...
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    Brett, that looks great! I wish I had thought of it at the start.

    Anyway, I have rebuilt the box. Made a new one the next day. Redo, Repair, Keep as is - I am a little too much of a perfectionist to let this go. So ...




    However, the old box will be used. I have an idea to disguise the crack, and it will be fun to do this weekend.


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    Box 3 completed

    We left of with an incomplete Box 3, with a split in one side. I knew that I could not make a gift of this box, and the next day built another case, also in Hard Maple.


    However, it was always the plan to complete Box 3, and now I would use some art to disguise the split. This is an afternoon's work, which included machining, sizing and dovetailing the drawer parts.


    It occurs to add that, although small, these boxes are essentially about the same work as building a simple cabinet ... just less material. Here is the completed box ...





    The disguised split ...



    Rear of box ...



    Drawer in West African Makore ...






    Thanks for looking.
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    Here is the third box (replacement). It is all Hard Maple - case, all drawer parts (with the sole exception of the Ebony drawer pull). This made it a little more challenging as the wood is hard and can be brittle, and any errors will be evident immediately. There is no compression for dovetails, and all need to fix exactly. But the result is spectacular - although I was working with offcuts, I chose clear sections with just a little interesting, subtle figure. This is a box for my son's Godmother, and I was seeking a feminine touch. No adornments.

    Case construction, as will the other boxes, is mitred through dovetails. The case is 175mm wide x 165mm deep x 70mm high. 10mm thick.





    It is only when you open the drawer that you find strong figure ...



    Finally, all three boxes. The Walnut box is for my son's Godfather, and the Makore box (with the Aboriginal message) is for his In-laws.



    Regards from Perth

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    Wait, there is more! A box for the wedding bands. Here ... inside this drawer ...



    Two boxes, both in Fiddleback Jarrah, both 80mm in length and 40mm wide. One is 20mm high and the other 15mm high. Case sides are 3mm.

    Yes I know that they look like blocks of wood. That is the idea



    Open the boxes (like a matchbox), and there is a leather-covered recess for two rings/bands ...



    The aim was to build the smallest box possible., one that can fit in a pocket without creating a bulge. I made two as I was not sure which size will be preferred.

    I know that someone will ask how these were made, so I have preempted this with a pictorial ...

    First, find a nice piece of wood and slice it up into 3mm thick "boards". The boards include a section for the top abd bottom, and the two sides. I kept these all in a single piece, and later cut them to length. This way the widths will remain constant.

    The most difficult and most important part of the build is creating accurate mitres. This was done on a shooting board with Donkey's Ear ...



    The Donkey's Ear is precisely 45 degrees. The Veritas LA Jack uses a 62 degree cutting angle as we are planing interlocked edges ...



    Care is taken to ensure that the bevel is taken evenly to the side edge ...



    ... and then measure the width down the length to ensure all is perfectly parallel ...



    Alternate sides. I was not concerned about achieving a waterfall pattern.



    Lay packing tape across the back of the butted boards, and flip them over ...



    Add glue ...



    And now roll it all up and secure the last end ...



    The drawer is simply a carefully hand planed solid section, with two round mortices made with a forstner bit. Drop in fitted leather.

    Done.

    Regards from Perth

    Derek

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