Thread: 36' fishing trawler in need of magic

If we were in New Zealand it would have sounded like winker.

An excellent rundown on the importance of using the right material and consistent methods in the right place.

From both of you!

MIK

Viking, don't go calling people a wanker - it makes you look like the wanker.

Second, how about putting up posts that people can read. Your last effort with your comments inserted inside the quote meant that any reader had to go digging for your input. It's not hard to make legible posts here, even for the computer illiterate.

Third, use english. We don't expect posters to produce perfect prose but your love of abbreviations and incomprehensible spelling makes the message in your posts almost invisible.

You'll find that people put the same amount of value on a post as the person who posted it. If you don't think your posts are worth putting any effort into, why should we value them any higher?

Viking, we give and take a lot here. We're willing to put up with characters, we're willing to put up with those who aren't as skilled as others either in the subject at hand or just producing posts. Hell, we even put up with experts :eek:

However, you have been habitually abusive, particularly in this thread, habitually abrasive and determined to call everyone else wrong with you absolutely right. It's probable that you have a lot to offer us here, however, you are hiding that behind your manner.

In other words, stop acting like the wanker you accused Midge of being and try being friendly. Surprisingly, it works.

Richard

my humble appologies if i offended anyone.
but im having one of those days.
up to my neck with know it all's today.
its the sarcazum that gets me and the attacks.
they just seem to miss my point on and off the water. today
sorry also my spelling is no good .
again sorry.
viking
look my point is planks need to moove and do
caulking in the traditional way lets the caulk squash flat if needed .if it squezes out bang it back in ! sika falls out cause of the limitation it has in compresion.how do you fix that in a hurry.and the same goes for expansion to. enough said

Originally Posted by viking

but im having one of those days.

One of THOSE days eh? Man, do we know what that feels like.

Viking, I'm someone who loves to discover his mistakes and misconceptions and have found over the years that those working in the industry are, surprisingly (sarcasm) the best to point these out You're welcome here and have been from the start. Sorry if I got overly stroppy with you.

Richard

viking, I'm happy to kiss and make up.

I was going to accept your apology, offer mine and get on with life, and will do so however I notice that in the meantime you've learnt to edit, so instead of "wanker" your previous post has got a bit more abusive, and I can't just let it rest:

you bet i do if you dont beleve me in my profesional advice stick it up your seam .sarkastic wanker.

This has nothing to do with not believing advice, has it? I agree with your methods, but I know that sealants also work while you don't seem to have had that experience.

i have beeeen using sika flex for many uses for years now about 26 years profesionaly and stand by this. no where does it say that you can use this product in this way.

Wouldn't you think if they didn't work they would have gone broke sometime in the last 26 years?

Seems you've missed the bit in the Sika 291LOT brochure that says:
PRODUCT BENEFITS : - use above and below waterline
LIMITATIONS: - allow one week full cure prior to total immersion situations.

for the record pine tar under the water line now you are getting redicoulus

Yes I am, and I'm sorry, but it's an old habit I got from my great uncle in the 50's. I refer to all seam material (even sealant) as "pitch" or "tar" because that's what he called it. A bit like the way I tell people it'll cost them a few quid, but they all know what I mean.

also any body worth his salt will know what im on about.why dont you just pull your head in and get out into your workshop and do something instead of giving people the wrong advice you wanker

Because so far, I haven't given any particularly wrong advice as far as I can tell, and neither have you? You may also wish to refer back to my post where I suggested "best get some technical advice before buying a truckload!".
I don't want anyone to think anything I've posted is technical advice, it's not. Not all synthetic sealants are going to fail. That's the only point I have wanted to make, if that has distressed you viking, I'm sorry.

consider yourself burnt

Ouch!

I don't have any issues with your spelling by the way, that's not at all at issue here and shouldn't have been raised, and I don't have issues with most of what you say, if only you'd back off long enough to read that.

I really didn't want to imply that traditional methods won't work either, if that's what you've read then I'm sorry about that too.

I am curious when you say you've ripped out more sika than you care to think about, yet you've been using it for 26 years? I'm guessing you've been using it above the waterline, interestingly perhaps, I've seen as much (maybe more) of it fail in deck seams than anywhere else, and then I read the brochure: LIMITATIONS Do not use as a deck seam sealant. (same for 241)

I assume that is because it needs protection from UV, but would like to know your experience there, and what you use these days.

Cheers,

P

apptly named biting midge .
well if you read the other peoples replys you would know that i was not realy refering [spelling ]to you.
as for the deck seams sika actually make a product for that purpose.[be shure to use breaker tape.] there you are again gowing of half cocked again.??? mate not all boats are wood and i do use sika for skin fittings ext.well enough of this crap im a shipwright of high regard and integrity i also dont realy care what you think.
im just telling you what i know from experience .
so if you feel that you have to pick on the little indescresions well be it.
i still beleve in fredom of speech and do not wish to talk about the pros and cons of sika flex any more and so on thanks

So I decided to do half traditional half Sika. I need some advice on what to use for the traditional method over top of the Oakum to pay the seams below the water line. Viking this is probably your area of expertise if you don't mind can you describe the application and type of material used, it'd be greatly appreciated. I do understand the risks involved in this process also. Thanks in advance.

What a bobby dazzler of a thread!

Funnily enough both of you are right (as are Mik and Daddles by the by)... individually and informationally your both right... so stopp wanking your own chains and start actin like people who give a shyte!

Sorry JPC Im not gettin into this one I will leave it to the shipwright I just cant abide bein called a wakker more than once in one day and her bloody highness gets that one free every morning!! :eek: And given vikings penchant for that word Im gonna duck back outta here!

Good luck with it JPC... oh and show pics if you can mate it would help!

Another example of a high jacked thread! It started well however by the end I have no idea what the hell is being discussed.

Does the sika work for the purpose discussed or not? Is it a particular sika product?

If we all lived in a non progressive world we could all build boats traditionally. Maybe I could have a fully sik buggy for my horse to take to work but since we don't, and not all of us want or have the ability to build/repair traditionally can we agree to dissagree? Maybe create a "I hate the other person" thread where people can be flamed without confusing the hell out of us amateurs!!

The traditional techniques work but can the work be done better or differently? If you a traditionalist great..if your a modernist great..can we try to give are ideas constructively please?

Sorry if my spelling or grammer is not up to scratch but I can't download the spell checker.

So anyone have any info on the recommended compounds used in present day traditional boat corking? What about in areas requiring a little special attention where the planks are still secure and solid but the gaps have gotten larger from cleaning and recaulking a few to many times. I've heard of a mixture of Fibergum and portland cement. It seems to be a logical mixture as I believe Fibergum is a roof patching sealant and portland cement cures with water. I tried mixing some up but it wouldn't harden so I'm starting to think Fibergum is another product. I've heard of a few other remodies but none that I've ever seen available to a simplton like me. Any info would be appreciated. I hope you didn't get scared off Viking, your experience is invaluable.

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Originally Posted by bitingmidge

You seem to have a problem viking. you bet i do if you dont beleve me in my profesional advice stick it up your seam .sarkastic wanker. i have beeeen using sika flex for many uses for years now about 26 years profesionaly and stand by this. no where does it say that you can use this product in this way. for the record pine tar under the water line now you are getting redicoulus and i can even remember old the code number of the old sika 241. also any body worth his salt will know what im on about.why dont you just pull your head in and get out into your workshop and do something instead of giving people the wrong advice you wanker also ive been looking at all your web sites and sika instuctions and you seem to be anoying little mozzie buzes around giving us the #####
consider yourself burnt also ring up the shipwright and boatbuilder assoc in your state and they will tell you 2 wanker

Viking...mate...how's the Shipwright's dovetail going?

Rule !: Read the Instructions.Sika Corporation | USA

Err, Steve, would you mind terribly fixing the quote above?

viking it was who said that stuff with the rude words, not I!

And yes thanks for reinforcing the link to Sika!

P

Originally Posted by bitingmidge

Err, Steve, would you mind terribly fixing the quote above?

viking it was who said that stuff with the rude words, not I!

And yes thanks for reinforcing the link to Sika!

P

Derrrr...sorry about that.Sorry for the delay in replying.I thought I already had,but the reply seems to have vanished into cyber-space.
I've just found a couple of other uses for Sika.I used pert of a tube and the remainder usually goes off after opening,so I used it to repair the soles of my hiking boots.There was still some in the tube and it worked perfectly to repair my (expensive) bike saddle...trimmed the frayed bits,masked it and put a couple of coats over the torn fabric and sanded it smooth with 80 and 120grit.Looks like a shop-bought one! Saved me a couple of hundred bucks to replace it,and the hiking boots would have cost about $150. There was just enough left to patch a hole in the guttering (temporarily).