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2nd March 2009, 07:15 PM #31
Thanks Richard, very kind of you. It is certainly going to be an exciting ride I think, but the flare of the upper chine probably means that it will only be a wet ride if we want it to be.
As to how, Mike recommends 6mm ply with relieving grooves cut parallel to the curve, on the inside of the board. I've done this technique even with solid timber before, but my ply didn't want to do it. Now I'm not grizzling, the plywood supplied to me is lovely Gaboon stuff, but it seems that there are too many layers of grain going against the curve, so I am cold molding a couple of layers of thinner stuff. The final thickness on the seat tops will be determined by whether I decide to laminate some teak on it or not, but the seat fronts will end up 8mm thick. The shape has worked fine so far. The windows will probably be fitted internally as discussed.
Have to take a day off work in case the woeful fire conditions flare something up near our place tomorrow..there may be no boat to work on if someone does something stupid nearby.
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2nd March 2009, 11:09 PM #32
Hi Rob,
Looking great and fingers crossed for tomorrows weather.
Now when are you going to start the laid deck so I can watch and learn
Mike
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3rd March 2009, 07:46 PM #33
Thanks Mike, but watch and learn? It may well be watch and laugh!
I decided months ago that a teak veneer deck was an affectation and not the sort of thing I wanted on a work-a-day boat...but it kept coming back into my mind, and when I saw how much surface area I still had to paint ( I hate Painting ), well the wood sort of found itself and my non-sensible (romantic) self sort of took over and here I am contemplating a thing which my logical self doesn't want to have anything to do with. I have all these guys in there and working out which one is me sometimes takes some doing.
Anyway, I'll start converting the timber soon, but have a few other more pressing things over the next week. I don't know which of me will do those.
Rob
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4th March 2009, 05:13 PM #34
Psst; Mike, this is the stash of Teak. Don't tell Rob
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4th March 2009, 06:12 PM #35
Well non sensible Rob,
I thought I caught you admiring ScottyKs deck as I did and safely assumed this here Waller was going to get the treatment.
As my non sensible side is also demanding a laid deck on my project we are both, that is logic and me are going to watch with interest as you and your logic work out the wrinkles.
First question: what dimensions have you decided on for the teak, seams etc.
Second question: what pattern
Good luck
Mike
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4th March 2009, 09:14 PM #36
Well, we are undone!
The flitches are 50+ x 75+ and the initial plan is to cut them on the quarter, and to be honest I haven't checked the grain direction on all of it, but I know at least a couple are slab cut and will therefore yield good quarter sawn 50 x 4+, or if I lose a bit straightening the boards, 45 x 4+. So that is the board width and depth...I'm pragmatic enough to go with the most economical cut that I can manage from the flitches. I hate waste, especially when it is a special material. Visually I'd probably prefer 40mm wide strips but will see what the old saw turns out and use it as wisely as possible. If some isn't oriented as I'd like, then I may have to cut squares and re-think the dimensions.
Haven't decided on the gap but it will be pretty standard, a little more or less depending on how it looks on the deck.
I have only committed to decking the cockpit floor, and will then see how I feel about the seat tops, because if I do those I would probably end up going all round and include the side and foredecks. I'd really hate one of my selves then. Pattern will be pretty unimaginative, a border and fore and aft strips. If the decks were done they would follow the centreline rather than the gunwales, again to save waste.
What I feel uncomfortable about is the notion of integrity. This is a modern dinghy, not some millionaires plaything and I want it to be honest and workmanlike, not pretentious. The thing that keeps me interested is the nature of the material and the fact that I just love mucking around with and looking at wood more than perfect painted surfaces. Teak is just one of nature's wonderful materials that is perfectly fit for our purposes, but I still have doubts...It will be nice to think that you are as silly as me Mike, so don't let me put you off!
(and by the way, how right you were!)
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12th March 2009, 04:00 PM #37
Started the laying on of veneers. Looks like absolute chaos. The hold down strips are only screwed between boards (some have holes from previous drilling). The spacers are tile spacers, 5mm. Only had time to do half of the cockpit floor deck. This shows about one third. I couldn't orient the grain as I'd hoped because the boards had so much run out from a small radiused log that I would have wasted too much...couldn't hand pick the boards and I don't think it will be too much of an issue at this width. The graphite powder is very dense and was used with West 403 filler at bet. 5-10% ( I didn't count the grains!)
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good work rob that teak will look amazing with the graphite between the boards,
just wish i could have afforded teak for some of my work, but as i live on a small island every thing has to be imported (which seems to double the cost) plus the big boat yards won't supply the public so all my timber has to come from a builders merchant
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12th March 2009, 07:28 PM #39
You've shown on your build that making do with what is available can be outstanding.
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23rd March 2009, 10:36 AM #40
Some more progress shots of the Ballroom dance floor construction;
(just have to decide where to place the piano)
The process all went very smoothly, the graphite works extremely well, and although it involves a lot of shoulder work with a belt sander, this method avoids the need to mask everything, as you would need to if using flexible caulking.
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23rd March 2009, 12:16 PM #41
looks great nice job
Mike
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23rd March 2009, 02:47 PM #42
Oh... wow..
AJ
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23rd March 2009, 02:49 PM #43
Thanks Mike and AJ, but you didn't tell me where to put the piano.
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top left for the piano (great view over the stern whilst playing)
that looks fabulous and well worth the effort you have put in to it, you do very good work
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23rd March 2009, 07:04 PM #45
Right, Richard, we'll put you down as the pianist at the launching. You'll need to book air tickets. Mate, I'm sorry but it will only be a BABY grand- it is only a big dinghy- but now we have to find a bass player who will play an electric, while seated, because with an acoustic bass I'll never be able to tack properly. Any volunteers? Might have to put the drummer in the cabin, but that will cool the atmosphere in there a bit...
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