Thread: rigging up hartley 16 .help /drawings needed

Hi YE,
Try the contacts at this site or the nearest club sailing them, nothing like having a good look around a well set up boat and talking to its owner.

Some pics of your boat showing existing layout may help with advice.

Cheers
Mike

Good website Mike,

Youngendeavour - basically there is a network of people and clubs that sail the boats. Often you can find someone to help.

The detail off that website is

• South Queensland - Robert Huckfeldt 07 3822 9011. or E-mail [email protected]
  For the Sunshine Coast area see also Lake Cootharaba Sailing Club
• North Queensland - Jeff Stickley 07 4774 0269

Michael

Okay, now for a bit of heresy (someone has to do it and I'm in a bad mood because I've just finished a uni assignment ... and discovered I've only done half of the rotten thing ).

Many Hartley TS16s are sailed by the 'racing set' - I've heard them described as being 'just a bloody big dinghy'. If you wish to go racing, even part time, that's the way to set the thing up.

However, if you're just after a relaxing craft to float around in with aspirations to sheer terror as the downwind gunwale sinks below the water (SOP for the racers apparently), maybe a simpler rig is the way to go.

My thinking is that there's rigging fine tuned to get the maximum out of the beast, and rigging designed for the recreational sailor.

Which are you?

Which raises the question, how expensive is it to go from 'simple' to 'racer'?

Mmmmmm, a TS16 as a cat yawl similar to the Bolger Micro discussed elsewhere today Oh okay, that's just stirring but ...

Richard
(yes Mik, this is a hint for you to step in with some of your theories ... unless the lad really is interested in joining the local racing fleet )

Originally Posted by young endeavour

I have just bought myself a hartley 16.
It has never been rigged and has only had an outboard on it.
I want to rig it.

I want to know how i can check or go about this.
I have my own theories but would apreciate input before i start probing.

There should be a whacking great centreboard case & metal plate centreboard running much of the length of the cabin. If that is not present, it's a Bad Sign.

There should be a compression post from the keel to the cabin roof just in front of the centreboard case. The mast steps on top of that. The compression post holds the roof & keel apart when you crank up all the expensive doo-dads in the rigging. This would be easier to retro-fit than the centreboard & case.

there are 3 chain-plates needed for the shrouds, a horse for the main-sheet, jib fairleads, & halyard turning blocks & cleats. All of which need a bit of reinforcing around them. Are all/any of these things present?

For racing, all these things have to be done to specification of it is out-of-class & cannot compete.

'Twas me on the other thread suggested converting a TS16 to a yawl to make it easier to handle for cruising.

cheers
AJ

thanks Mike.there is a hartley trailer sailer club in brissy that i can go along to /see/join.
I agree its agood idea but just keen to find out sooner and get a start,

Thankyou

Thank you Michael for the links.

Bazz

thanks Daddles /Richard

Mostly just cruising.The hull is fibreglassed from the day it was built so Im not sure if it passes hartley class racing specs.May get it into some other sailing events that it may fit into.
But the answer is mostly just cruising/weekender .
Thankyou Richard

AJ.

yes the centre board case is present.It runs from about half way in the cabin to just outside the hatch by about 12 inches or more ,this looks the same as others in pictures but seeing a real one will confirm its the ful case.
The metal plate??There is a large box section running along the bottom of the cabin inside that apears to be the support/strengthing part i think your talking about.
I am new to this so please excuse my terminology at this point.

No there are no reinforcing plates or anything fitted for rigging whats so ever.
I do see the list of goodies AJ you wrote,Thankyou.
It looks as though it is just putting the post in and the plates.
It apears from here it will be worth me buying drawings to finish her off.
Thanks Again

I will post some photos.I took some but too high in pixels so will take some more on lower pixels so it will make advice better.

Thanks again Mike

OK - so no fittings.

So does that mean no mast and sails or rigging either?

If you have none of that there are three choices.

Michael

Originally Posted by young endeavour

AJ.
The metal plate??There is a large box section running along the bottom of the cabin inside that apears to be the support/strengthing part i think your talking about.
I am new to this so please excuse my terminology at this point.

Nope. The metal plate is the centreboard which should be inside the centreboard case. There ought to be a pivot bolt for it low down towards the front of the case. Watch out for leaks & rot around this bolt & along the keelson where the case joins it. The top of the centreboard should stick up a little bit out of the case, with holes for a 2:1 or 3:1 purchase lifting tackle at front top corner of it.

It also helps if there's a slot in the bottom of the boat for the centreboard to pivot down into the water...

As MIK queried, have you got mast & sails for it? If not, methinks you are in for a rude shock when you price the various bits & pieces you'll need to create a proper TS16 rig. You may want to ensure your pacemaker has fresh batteries before you do so. Almost certainly be cheaper to pay MIK to design a lug or lug yawl rig for it. A lug yawl would make a better mannered cruiser anyway.

Even cheaper again to leave it as a powered mother ship & build an Oz PDR or three to sail.

cheers
AJ

Morning AJ

no .i dont have any rigging for it.Anything in boating is dearer than gold .i enjoy having a empty wallet.

thanks for the info.Most helpful.

The centre board case has a hinged table built onto it.looks like it will just screw off and hopefully the centre board case is not filled.
The boat is in excellent condition.no rot.crawled up into the coffin berths and did a thorough inspection.Im impressed with its condition for its age.

I will use your info to pursue further with this.

Bazz