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    Default An Old Starling

    I've been around for a while, but this is my first visit to the boating forums.

    My 15yo daughter (who loves sailing) has just been gifted a starling. She thought it might be fibreglass, but we got it home today and she spent the afternoon cleaning moss and grime off the hull, and we can confirm it's plywood. It's spent the past 3 years in the backyard of the widow of its former owner - and maybe 12 months partly on the dirt.

    It's going to take a bit to get it shipshape (that must be a deplored expression here), but the joy on my daughter's dial means this is bigger than Christmas.

    536a.jpg Before.

    536b.jpg It's like the Amazon jungle .

    536e.jpg After a good scrub.

    And on top...

    536c.jpg Half done.

    536d.jpg Finished scrubbing.

    So a few questions from a landlubber (probably another deplored expression).

    Firstly: the timber supporting each end of the horse (I tell her it's hawse but she says no) needs replacing. I don't think I've got any kauri, but I do have small pieces of purplehart and jarrah, and also something that may be mahogany. I'm thinking we could varnish these bits for effect (but she may overrule me). Which would you recommend as best to use in boat building?

    Second: some 'nigit has used steel screws to secure the front of the forestay attachment bracket to the bow (the two screws on top are stainless, but the two in the front are steel). They have, of course, rusted - and both snapped off when I attempted to remove them. Can I leave the broken steel in the bow and seal over them (I think I know the answer - "No"), and if not, are there any secrets to getting them out without major surgery?

    Third: As she's paying, my daughter asks if there are any cheaper alternatives to marine/boat paints?

    More questions to come no doubt.

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Hi Vann,
    Horse supports - I would have no issue with any of the timbers mentioned. Clear finish may add some contrast but needs a LOT more maintenance than paint. If the rest of the boat is painted I would do the same with these. But that's me. There's an argument for learning about different processes and materials too.
    I would have no problem leaving the screws in so long as they are perfectly sealed off to ensure that moisture won't cause the rust to bleed through. But if you leave them in, can you still put in new screws to secure the stay? I would be inclined to remove them however you can. Drill, chisel, whatever works. Then fill the holes with epoxy. You can then redrill, paint etc.
    There are many opinions on paint. I've used good quality 'household' oil based enamels with success. Marine paints do seem to be harder though so they put up with more abrasion. With the small area you have I suggest the extra cost of a marine paint is worth it.
    Cheers, Mark

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    What a great little project boat! I personally would remove the rusted steel screws and execute as per Kingfisher's advice.

    I found Norglass paints are best value over say some of the other premium paints on the market. The quality of the base materials in the Norglass stuff becomes apparent once you have used it over say the 'household' variety, athough Altex coatings are made in NZ?-Why not try them if the budget is tight.

    Regardless you will achieve a much superior finish that will last loner and not chalk or chip as easily. Cheers

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    Thanks for the helpful replies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post
    ...Third: As she's paying, my daughter asks if there are any cheaper alternatives to marine/boat paints?

    More questions to come no doubt.
    We've decided on International (formerly Epiglass) Epifill to fill multiple defects, including replacing about 50% of the holes left by failing putty over the nails that hold the boat together. We're part way through this.

    This will be followed by Altex Multipurpose Primer; Altex Surfacer Undercoat; and then most likely Altex Regatta Gloss Enamel. These are all single pot marine paints.

    Now a forth question: We will clear finish some of the wooden trim. We've found the trim around centrecase is held on by chromed steel screws. The chrome is at the end of it's life (saved just in time) so I'm looking at new screws. I have a supply of brass screws - are these acceptable in a marine environment, or do I have to use stainless screws?

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Brass is fine, it’s all my old man used to use, before stainless came down in price. My 40 year old timber boat has thousands of brass screws in it. Also, when you’re painting, between your undercoat and top coats, do a coat of 50/50 undercoat and top coat, it’s an old trick I learned when I painted boats at RPAYC, and it gives the top coat a lot better “bite” , also, use a little bit of penetrol ( an additive) in your primer, and buy a big pack of cheesy tack cloths, and use them whenever you think, especially after sanding. Good Luck ��

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