Thread: Beach boat

And seeing I'm me, I'll start by having a go at answering this myself.

An obvious starting place is Mik's GIS. It has everything I need except the style - I really am stubborn about wanting a planked boat, much like Sixpence (see avatar).

Lug sail yawl or single lug or able to do both?

I have this weird love affair with Iain O's double enders. Does the pointy bum really help in the surf? Especially for someone handling the boat himself? Which one?

It occurs to me that I may already have the ideal boat half built in the shed - Sixpence. David Payne's Yellowtail



but with a Mik designed yawl rig



She's only a 14 footer but she does strike me as being a bit heavy to manhandle on and off the beach on my own. As far as a sailing boat goes though, she should be ideal here in Adelaide.

Maybe a lighter, lither stablemate?

Maybe I should stop dithering and finish her?

Richard

If your are going in off the beach, I'd be looking at some form of lightweight design, yeh even roofrackable.

I'd keep your planked hull for the ocasional serious sail, and have a lightweight you can easily toss in.

cheers

Oh go on Mik, convince me I need a GIS

Richard

daddles I agree with Soundy the sixpence is good but maybe a bit heavy for an off the beach boat. To get what you want/need forget planked unless maybe a plywood clinker. The GIS maybe just the thing for you. I have a dory I built and while it rows like a dream and sails nice too its a heavy bugger and I don't use it as much as I should because of that as most of my boating is single handed. Thats the main reason the Hartley 21 is unused and getting more like a selling venture. Ian O has some nice lightweights and I love the trad double enders and after the kayak that maybe an option Its a hard decision though and it will take you a while to sort out I reckon.
Pete

Howdy Daddles,

Build an Oughtred - go on. Plans are excellent, boats sail like the wind.

Some of his rowboat double enders have sailplans but also have fewer panels 4 per side) than his full clinker jobbies. I think are few are specified in 9mm - do the bottoms in 9 and the rest in 6 and you will get something handleable on the beach too. Or all 6 if he lets you.

Tirrik looks like the best choice. Do it simply! Use the trad rig to keep the cost and rigging time (and the need for crew) under control.

There is no choice in this Daddles ) It is the boat that makes the best sense.

MIK
You know enough about the Goat already - I don't need to argue the case. If you like it you will build it.


Good Choice - go for it.

Howdy Daddles,

Build an Oughtred - go on. Plans are excellent, boats sail like the wind.

Greetings young Mik

Now tell me please. What is a Oughtred? I thought that it may be the outer end of the local football stadium or perhaps a boat on the outer limits. Almost spooky. Cheers and I trust that you are keeping well.

Daddles

You boat looks awesoome......

Phil

Howdy Phil,

Is that a serious question about Oughtred - I can't quite figure if you are teasing me or not!

Michael Storer

Originally Posted by PhilW

What is a Oughtred?

Is he allowed to use language like that in here?

Iain Oughtred. A funny little Scottish chap who probably didn't 'invent' the plywood, clinker method of building boats but who certainly took the method to it's current pinnacle and who seems to be one of the few who really understands it. His designs are based on traditional concepts but the boats are designed with consideration for the lightness and strength that this system can give. If it was designed by Iain Oughtred, it works very well and his plans are excellent.

Now you want his website don't you. Well bad luck, he doesn't have one, nor does he have an email address.

This is the best photo I could find of a Tirrik - pity the owner chose such an awful rig.





Richard

Your GIS would be quite a bit lighter wouldn't it Mik? If I remember rightly, in talking to you and Midge, the GIS can be dragged around on the sand quite easily.

Richard

Oughtred plans can be obtained through the Classic Marine website.

Thanks for the inspiration... the Acorn skiff 15 looks intriguing given your requirements



Tor

Originally Posted by Daddles

This is the best photo I could find of a Tirrik - pity the owner chose such an awful rig.

Richard

Oh....oh....oh...!!! That is gorgeous ! (apart from the sail plan)

Cross Shearwater off list.
Next-boat-but-one... Houdini / GIS / Tirrik ... decisions, decisions.

AJ

Howdy Daddles,

The reason I am not strongly suggesting the GIS is even though it is a near 16 footer that is lighter than most racing dinghies 2 feet shorter - it is a big lift for a lone person and I know you are by yourself most of the time. A SMALLER boat would be nice.

One day I must get round to a 12 foot version - but one day...

That would be perfect for one bod to lug around.

MIK

Originally Posted by Boatmik

Howdy Daddles,

The reason I am not strongly suggesting the GIS is even though it is a near 16 footer that is lighter than most racing dinghies 2 feet shorter - it is a big lift for a lone person and I know you are by yourself most of the time. A SMALLER boat would be nice.

One day I must get round to a 12 foot version - but one day...

That would be perfect for one bod to lug around.

MIK

Ah ha. Thanks for that. I was pondering this point. I was chatting to a mate tonight (Mike) and he raised that very question. It also scratches most of the Oughtred designs too as I'd imagine they'd be a little heavier than the GIS.

Mike did advise that if I can get some working room in Redback, that's probably still my best option considering I already have her. He's seen her sailing and has quite a bit of experience sailing boats.

Let's face it, I'm a typical mug beginner who wants the 'right machine' to do the job and who keeps making the typical mug beginner's mistake of forgetting that once a machine that'll do the job (in this case a boat) is available, the next step is always 'lots of experience'.

It would be nice to have to give Redback a good workout to see how good she really is. Please.

Sixpence will definitely need at least a beach dolly but will maybe even need to be trailer lauched. As you may remember Mik, I was going to build her with the coach house. This decision was based on my having a coach house already built (by other bods from the TAFE course so I have no emotional attachment to the thing) and the age of my daughter who, at that time, was young enough to really need some protection. However, she's 7 now, will probably be 8 by the time Sixpence hits the water and arguably doesn't need the minimal protection of that coach house. The coach house will also add quite a bit of weight to the boat and will prevent easy access to the mast now that your yawl rig has moved the mast to the fore deck. The plans show an open boat version.

I'm now seriously considering building the open version. The advantages will be less weight (easier to man handle on the beach), less building because although the basic coach house has been built it needs a loooot of finishing - it can be returned to TAFE to be passed onto someone else too, it's not going to go to waste.

The big advantage of the open boat will be easy access to the mast for raising and lowering the sail on the water - I know this can be done remotely but if I don't have to, I think the simple option is better. The downside is less weather protection but the coach house never offered much anyway (even now my little girl has to curl up to get under it - makes a great cubby house in the shed).

So I'm going to stop annoying you about designs (ha - if you believe that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you) and try to get some time in Redback. Provided I'm not stupid with the weather, I should be able to sail her off the local beach and there's always Westlakes.

Am I making more sense at last? I hope so, because it's starting to sound more like what you've been telling me all along. I do listen, it's just hard to get it to gel inside sometimes.

Richard

Hey Daddles are you dabbling in wooden boat again... hope so.....