Thread: A boating progression

Originally Posted by bloggs1968

Hey Midge,

it would only make it look good if it followed Wharram's normal advertising and had bare breasted women all over it.

MIK,

Why aren't there any bare breasted women on your advertising?

LOL

AD

Totally agree old bean totally!! I mean the world needs more bare breasted women!

nah cant really see as how it evokes people to buy plans personally id like to think the boat itself would be enough without the frills

Now... midgey ol son thanks for the link to schonings page hadnt been there for a fair FAIR long time... seems theyre getting pretty active eh? mmmm thinkin thinkin... Im not a purist!! I can appreciate something when I return after a fairly long time cant I? :eek: man your a hard audience

Originally Posted by Daddles

Shameless profiteer :eek:

Richard

But still a sweet sweet voice of reason!

(or at least I think so - I agree with about 80% of what I say - which is more than I can say for what everyone else says, but it depends which category this thing that I have said belongs to whether it is is in the 80% of what I say that say that I happen to agree with or the remaining 20% of what I say that I say I can't agree once I have said it.)

Originally Posted by bloggs1968

MIK,

Why aren't there any bare breasted women on your advertising?

LOL

AD

There are a number of reasons for that. But mostly that Wharram has the market in 5ft tall bare breasted women cornered. There is nothing that makes the interior of a boat more attractive (and larger) than adding an undersize partly clad gurl to the drawing.

I wonder if you have to throw them back if they are undersized..

MIK

Originally Posted by Boatmik

There are a number of reasons for that. But mostly that Wharram has the market in 5ft tall bare breasted women cornered. There is nothing that makes the interior of a boat more attractive (and larger) than adding an undersize partly clad gurl to the drawing.

I wonder if you have to throw them back if they are undersized..

MIK

ROFLMAO!!! Nah mate unlike fishin you can keep the undersized ones its only the underaged ones that get tossed back! :eek:

Now that everyone is smiling and in a good mood (I know you always are!!!) I'd like to talk about one of my favourite small cruising cats and I've had a sail in a wooden one. It was gaboon all clear finished - looked fantastic on the water. I'll see if I can find some of the pics up at Duck Flat when I go up tomorrow.

Just about the same materials as a Wharram - the other cat in this thread - most of the materials are a little thinner There is a clever prefabrication method where the panels are made on the flat and the stringers attached at that point. When the assembly is glued in place on the frames the interior is ready to varnish. The latest versions are probably a lot less building as they use standard aluminium sections for the crossbeams allowing the boats to be be assembled on the trailer and telescoped out on the water rather than having to build all those crossbeams of timber.

Also a light airy interior in a 25/27 footer with a reasonable double berth in the rear of each hull... the pic here just doesn't do it justice - it just FEELS nice.

I don't know why the one in the pic has a steering wheel - my feeling was that the tiller version I sailed was much nicer. (any comment Midge?)

Just nice sensible moderate boats. Several of them have sailed from the UK down to the Med and longer voyages. If anyone knows the Med they know that all those sunny tourist shots are a bit of a lie - as the place is surrounded by real mountains they get adiabatic winds as the cool air gains momentum and screams down the tens of thousands of feet gaining momentum all the way. At the right time of year the med gets one of these winds at quite regular intervals. Beautiful one day - screaming the next.

There used to be some great footage of one of these kelsalls sailing on the net - several days cruising - a father and his two kids - there didn't seem to be much movement at all until you realised just how fast everything was flashing past - and that was upwind - no jumping and pounding - just easy speed - no monohull of a similar length would have even got close.

Downwind even faster and quieter and smoother. And we are not talking raceboats here - nice sensible mix of features.

Tacking - not quite up to monohull standards but they really whiz around compared to the wharram 31 I've sailed a few times or even a hobie (or a stingray or arrow) - no jib backing required. In the 31 Kelsall I have sailed you could just about make someone standing toward the boat fall over by putting the helm over too quickly - that's what happens with a light boat doing 8 or 8.5 or 9 knots upwind in a moderate wind of 12 to 15knots

I haven't done a lot of sailing on bigger multihulls but the bit that I have showed me (a dyed in the wool monohull person) how modern multis eat up the miles. The really weird thing is that you feel like you are hardly moving - particularly when there is a bridgedeck - which adds more accomodation (and building) but reduces the feeling of sailing in the same way a bigger yacht makes the bow-wave so remote that some of the feeling is lost.




Anyway - one of my favourites - a nice example of a small cruising cat in the modern vernacular (some of you will laugh at that comment!!! A little bit too much "vogue living" don't you think)

MIK

Well put as usual Mik, you've summed up the whole thing beautifully.

Wheel steering, as you say is a complete waste on a boat this size, and nowhere near as nice to steer as a tiller.

I think the wheel is brought on by perception - makes it look like a "big" boat eh? So people just spend a lot of money to make it "look" right, unaware that not only will it cost heaps more, there will be more maintenance, and less precision as well.

Cheers,

P

Howdy Midge,

The wheel looked like an affectation to me - why would you want to stand up in all the weather rather than be low and snug on the lee side of the cabin tops or steering from within the hatchway?

I managed to get up to duck flat and pilfer their photo files.

Anyway - there were two versions of the boat. I liked the original timber 25 with the snub ends rather than the later one with the raked bows.

You can see where the speed comes from here - it is purely the lightness on the water. And there is plenty left for payload before it ends up coming down onto its lines.

The big dilemma of course is whether to have bridgedeck accommodation as well. On a boat this small it is difficult to arrange and keep the looks and performance. Around the 30ft mark it is is fairly straightforward but adds so much to the building effort and cost.

Midge do you reckon a bridgedeck with accomdation would add 50% to the labour of building just the hulls or closer to 100%

I like the wooden one very much - they kept it that way for the best part of a decade before it got too many dings and they had to paint it.

MIK