Thread: Dare I let the cat out of the bag?

pic?

NAME?

Cat?

Aha!

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Steady fellas steady... patience

pic? no if I show one the cats loose

name? no if I say the name the cats loose as well

cat? no not a cat

No your gonna have to be patient mateys just for a few while I wait on the designer to get back to me regarding a few wee questions I have

aaaaaaahhh buggar it!! She be David Paynes Paketi... bloody spot friggin on!!

Now you're talking sense!

So how come it's taken you all this long to find David???

We've ALL been pointing you there for so long!!!!!

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Do you know midge ol mate that before today NO ONE had ever said "hey Shane why not go to Davids site and have a gander"? Not once has that happened... and while a few years back Id had some dealings with David over the redraw of the luggar plans Id not been aware that he had a site till today!

So once there... had a wander around I still like Cinema and a couple of others but Paketi? ooh christ mate shes bloody beautiful!!! exactly right... well I would like to be able to trailer her but at the measurements and weights he gives on the site that should be doable... anyway thats what Im waitin on an answer to that simple question

Id actually been thinking of getting onto Mike Field at Woodenboat fittings over in Victoria and seeing what his "mates rate" price would be for his boat "Sanderling" would be although I wouldnt argue a heck of a lot at 17000 its good as it is...

but seeing Paketi well Im done I think Nah Im done lookin

Originally Posted by Wild Dingo

Do you know midge ol mate that before today NO ONE had ever said "hey Shane why not go to Davids site and have a gander"? Not once has that happened... and while a few years back Id had some dealings with David over the redraw of the luggar plans Id not been aware that he had a site till today!

I remember when you did that: Back in 2004 but I also remember that I did put all his details on my Two Foot Skiff Thread and on this thread re advice on old style boat building and this one looking for classic speedboats and I don't want to rub it in, but on your very own "Wanted" thread, Boatmik (bless his heart) started to sound like he was on commission, in that thread he invited you to send him a PM for details, he urged you email David, he practically even begged you to phone him!

Originally Posted by Boatmik

Going back to the OZ stuff for a moment - you really need to ring the National Maritime Museum in Sydney and organise to speak to David Payne on one of his days there.

No old fella, there's none so blind as they who will not see!

I'm glad we finally got you over the line!

But I'm also really glad you took the journey. It means that you can launch off into the next phase happily knowing that you've left no stone unturned. No reason ask "What IF??".

We are all looking forward to watching her unfold. In fact, some of us are looking forward to a sail!

All the best,

Cheers,

P

STREWTH!!! yer sure like to rub salt in the wounds midgey ol fella

Yeah yeah I never once said I was a quick learner or took a whole lot of notice first time round with things... usually takes me a year or so of pointedly pointed to what I need to know before something dawns a light goes on and the proverbial duuuhhh moment hits!

But I tell you what mate! I wouldnt have missed the journey for quids! The things Ive learnt the people Ive met the boats Ive seen... I would have missed all that if Id gone straight to Paketi

So the journeys been great now for the next tack

mmm now comes that dreaded $$$ thing...

See now someone bloody well make this clear for me to understand okay?

Davids site quotes Paketi as $330AUD

Woodenboat.com store sells the plans for Paketi for $175USD

Convert with XE.com... and the $175USD converts to $236.84AUD

So buying direct from Davids going to set me back 100 real dollards more than sending and buying through Woodenboat in Maine... now having said that 100 smackers isnt a lot of money overall however some have or would say that it would be quicker buying in Aus postage etc this isnt so Ive bought plans through Woodenboat before and the turnaround is approx 13 days while some Aussie plans Ive bought have taken up to 2 months to get to me

As for being able to access the designer I should think given I would have bought the plans legitably through Woodenboat I would still have access to David so that wouldnt make any difference

So the only difference I see is that by buying from the designer Im going to be out $100!

Can you see why I get phissed off from time to time about Aussie designs?

Mind here I once tried to contact Clark Craft in the States about a power cat design they had that cost around the same 175USD they promptly without contacting me referred my email to their Aussie counterpart who promptly quoted me the 300+AUD price therefore takking an added 100 onto the price... when questioned about the discrepency his response was thats the price pay it or dont... needless to say I didnt... If I sent the damned cheque straight to ClarkCraft in the states in the first place I would have saved 100... now that all sounds nit picky its bloody annoying as hell

Now I find Davids doing the same bloody thing! I mean the yanks get the design for $100 less than we Aussies get it? Unless we go through a US site to get them?

No no its not going to distract me or stop me Im just going to have to decide which route to take... that 100 may not be a lot of money in real terms but by christ it could be a sheet of marine ply or some goop or whatever it could go into the building of the boat!!

thinkin thinkin thinkin

Now Mik explain why the above is!! So much for buyin local and supporting locals

Ya silly git. After avoiding David like the plague for so long, you've finally seen sense ... AND YOU'RE STILL FIGHTING IT.

Mate. David Payne is an aussie recreating our heritage in a form we can build. And he's making sooooo much money out of it, he has to have another job to pay for odds and sods such as food and housing. If you buy from an agent, part of the fee goes to the agent, part goes to the designer. You buy from the designer, it ALL goes to the designer. And the difference in price? Mate, think about what he's produced in those plans. Think about the hours of work just to draw the plans, let alone design the thing. And how many is he going to sell? What do YOU reckon his hourly rate will work out to?

You can hand money to the seppos if you like. Personally, I'm a little disappointed you had to ask (though I admit that with the price difference, it's worth having a think about).

Richard

BTW, she's a lovely boat

I just wondered is all ... Curious wee buggar that I am I tend to chew and nibble gnaw and crunch it all the hell and back

Handing money to the seppos as you say isnt what bothers me its more the damned difference that gets up my nose... doesnt it get up yours? I mean shyte! they want to sell the plans then get one freekin price and everyone pays the damned same! not a special cheeper price for the seppos and a dearer one for homegrown... mind here Davids not the only one that does this I know John Welsford also does as does Iain Oughtred... it just gives me the utter shytes is all

And anyways didnt I say it wasnt gonna stop me? HUH DIDNT I??

Nope mate this is her and to say I wont get her from David is a bit stoopid I think since its only $100... and to be honest I dont mind and the missus the controller of the finances well to be honest she dont matter :eek:... as long as I dont tell her I can get it $100 cheeper by goin ex USA!! Which I dont intend to do!!

Id rather work with David direct which buyin from him will achieve AND also I can tap that legend Doc Mik while Im at it... aahhh she be perfek eh?!!

I'm sure that Mik will have something to contribute, and I'm not talking specifically about the Woodenboat shop here, but I am privy to what some outlets were offering designers.

It's sort of "you pay us to sell your stuff", so once the pitiful fixed dollar commission is payed to the bloke that did the work, he gets to watch as the retail outlets actually undercut him!

Then they quite happily offer their customers full support from the designers, so they don't have to do anything for them. The designers in the meantime, having earned less than a dollar per hour producing the plans, get to provide support for free!

The lack of morality is not with the designers!

Pay the $100, and be proud that you are helping to keep an Aussie designer alive!

cheers,

P

Originally Posted by bitingmidge

I'm sure that Mik will have something to contribute, and I'm not talking specifically about the Woodenboat shop here, but I am privy to what some outlets were offering designers.

It's sort of "you pay us to sell your stuff", so once the pitiful fixed dollar commission is payed to the bloke that did the work, he gets to watch as the retail outlets actually undercut him!

Then they quite happily offer their customers full support from the designers, so they don't have to do anything for them. The designers in the meantime, having earned less than a dollar per hour producing the plans, get to provide support for free!

The lack of morality is not with the designers!

Pay the $100, and be proud that you are helping to keep an Aussie designer alive!

cheers,

P

Hear Hear! HAARRR HAARRR

Shane,

i know the feeling on the plan pricing.

I bought a set of plans for an Oughtred Puffin last week. Oughtred advised me 66 pounds (about $160 oz) but he said I should go to Duck Flat as he had some deal with them. I spoke to Duck flat and they charged me $226! I queried them and told them Iain's price and they wouldn't budge.

I have got some of Iain's plans before from Wooden Boat ( for the two Caledonias I am doing at the moment) and the quality of the photocopying was very poor. Iain sent me an updated versions and the quality was great.

I'd buy direct from David. Any OZ designer should be supported here and you would have a foot in the door if you rang him up and spoke with him before you ordered.

I've got a mate of mine(boatbuilder) in WA who is keen on David's designs as well. It is a great choice.

regards,

AD

WD

Great to hear that you have found her.

Sometimes these discoveries are even more important because it was just beyond the tip of your nose the whole time, but you didn't know.

And you're right - if you had found her early on, you would not know now how right she is.

Now my love is an 11' dinghy. But it has taken me 15 years to decide to build her and I suspect you may have yours done before me. But the dreaming (I call it plannning) is almost as good as the doing.

All the best.

Jeremy