Thread: Daysailer design suggestions please

G'day Cameron

I presume you've considered Oughtred's boats?

Then there is Storer's Goat Island Skiff. It doesn't tick all your boxes, but consider anyway.

Swallow Boats have the water-ballasted BayRaider 17. It is available in kit form from Denman Marine, just down the drag from you in Kettering. I've sailed the BayRaider 20 which is its bigger sister, and was quite impressed with the water ballast feature. Lots to recommend this one based on your list.

This is Murphy and rings several of the bells you've listed. It's a wholesome, capable dayboat that isn't going to require a trapeze. It can be sailed in rough weather as a Bermudian cat and also as a gaff cat. It has good storage space, she has room for a crowd, is very stable, is easy to build (taped seam) and has built in flotation chambers so she doesn't sink in a worse case situation. More information is available here Murphy - RYD-16.2 - Daysailers - Boat Plans and Kits Directory



I also have lapstrake designs in this size range. If you're interested, contact be privately through email (click on my name)

Originally Posted by woodeneye

I presume you've considered Oughtred's boats?

Then there is Storer's Goat Island Skiff. It doesn't tick all your boxes, but consider anyway.

Swallow Boats have the water-ballasted BayRaider 17. It is available in kit form from Denman Marine, just down the drag from you in Kettering. I've sailed the BayRaider 20 which is its bigger sister, and was quite impressed with the water ballast feature. Lots to recommend this one based on your list.

Mr Oughtred? But of course! I initially looked for an Oughtred design - the Penny Fee or a stretched Tammie Norrie would be the right sort of hull form I am thinking about. As drawn up these are big open dinghies and I was looking for storage space, camping gear etc. However, you having mentioned Oughtred has made me think again, and there is no reason why I couldn't adapt my own interior layout to one of his designs. I have seen a Tammie Norrie customised with built in storage / bouyancy compartments etc. and it didn't look at all out of place.

The GIS is the right size, and yes I had looked at this one. A bit "racey" for what I want probably. I have seen your photos and video on line - nice boat and looks like she goes like a rocket.

I agree the Bayraiders are very interesting boats. I have met Andrew a couple of times and had a good look at the Bayraiders at the festival. Whilst its a great boat the 20 is far too big, and even the 17 would really be pushing limits of constructability in the limited space I have.

I have measured up my garage again tonight, and realistically I think I am stuck with 16 foot absolute maximum overall length, otherwise the Bayraider 17 would be a serious contender, even though its not clinker ply.

Thanks for your suggestions. I will keep looking, but it could well be that a modified Oughtred is the way to go. You have certainly got me thinking.

Cheers, Cameron.

Originally Posted by PAR

This is Murphy and rings several of the bells you've listed. It's a wholesome, capable dayboat that isn't going to require a trapeze. It can be sailed in rough weather as a Bermudian cat and also as a gaff cat. It has good storage space, she has room for a crowd, is very stable, is easy to build (taped seam) and has built in flotation chambers so she doesn't sink in a worse case situation.

Hi there PAR,

Hadn't seen the Murphy before. She is a sweet looking boat and pretty close indeed to the sort of thing I had been thinking of. Love the decking and coamings. Little bit too big though at over 17 feet.

Got something similar but a tiny bit smaller? Clinker construction (lapstrake) with a rounded hull shape rather than hard chine?

Cheers, Cameron.

Hello Cameron

How about Ross Lillistone's Phoenix III?

15' 1 1/2"

GregF

Thanks Greg, yeah the Phoenix III looks in the right sort of ball park too. Hadn't seen that design before, thanks for the tip.

The Welshford Navigator is another one that has just sprung to mind.

Cheers, Cameron.

hello Cameron

Yes, the Welsford boats are sure popular, Walkabout in another very nice design of his.
Two masts, as well!

navigators are prolific it seems

GregF

Cameron, I have a few lapstrake designs that will suit you.

One is a unique craft in that it doesn't use a proper keel but has a single plywood plank bottom panel. It serves to replace the two garboards and rabbeted keel typical of most lapstrakes. It's a glued seam build, but also could be built as a conventional lapstrake over bent frames. She's 15' 6" long so you can get the planking out of two pieces of plywood, without a little patch some place. The rig choices are leg 'o mutton sloop, leg 'o mutton cat and gaff cat. She easily could be lug cat, but I have to admit I've limited experience with this rig.

The next is a 14' 3" Pea Pod, which was original designed as a tender for a large yacht. She's a wholesome double ended boat with considerable storage space. She carries a Bermudian sloop rig, but could also be a cat if desired. This is not a high tech Bermudian rig, but a very simple, inexpensive fractional sloop.

I also have a 14' transom stern sloop, much like the Pea Pod, though with slightly more volume. She's a better performer because of the bearing area aft and they share the same rig.

Contact me by email and I can send you some images.

Just thought of Spartina, Cameron,

There was a Youtube video of a Bolger Spartina up for a while but the guy who posted it has taken it down for some reason. But the Spartina design looks very nice. 15' 4" lapstrake, gaff rig.

The pictures below are of a boat built to this design by a Queenslander, Byron Bennett

http://picasaweb.google.com/ByronBen...ldingSpartina#

GregF

G'day Greg
You must be the only person on the internet who doesn't know how Google have ripped-off Dylan.
Most of the Keep Turning Left videos are now only available on Dylan's website keepturningleft.co.uk
Including the Spartina one. VLog #41.
Google are still quite cheerfully collecting advert revenue from his youtube trucking videos (millions of views) but not forwarding him his share.

I love the looks of Spartina but gather (rightly or wrongly) that the plans require more advanced build skills than I feel I have.
Also looks like sheltered water boat with that low free-board & wide body. Would likely be a bumpy & wet ride in any sort of lumpy water.
Welsford's Navigator is a tad smaller than the design brief, but seems to meet most other specs.
Only caution, based on my own Houdini plans & what others have said - JW's plan packages are skimpy compared with the ones MIK & others put out. And I can see that I'll need to be cautious about some of the measurements. Having said that, it seems to be only the plans which are an issue with JW's boats. Navigator owners seem to get out a bit when other boats are staying home.
AJ

Hello AJ

Yes, that'd be me, the one to miss what's actually happening! Thanks for the info about Dylan's web site though. I agreed that Spartina does look like it has quite low freeboard.

Speaking of detailed plans Ross Lillistone's Phoenix III plans are 29 pages!

The thing about JW's boats though is that the boats that get built all look good.

Gregf

Cast an eye over a set of Ross's plans (briefly) one time.
Works of art. Very, very thorough.
I love the look of Phoenix III too.
But like Cameron, I am after something a bit more... substantial.

I would love to see more of PAR's works. But pictures seem thin on the ground,
although he clearly has a good rep & plenty of boats out there.
AJ

Originally Posted by b.o.a.t.

..........but like Cameron, I am after something a bit more... substantial.

I would love to see more of PAR's works. But pictures seem thin on the ground,
although he clearly has a good rep & plenty of boats out there.
AJ

Yes, that is pretty much where I have landed at this stage.

Thanks everyone for all of your suggestions. They all have something to offer in one way or another. However the boat that ticks the most boxes, and is "substantial", at this stage looks to be the Selway Fisher "Able". I have some study plans coming so will advise further when I have had a good look.

PAR - you need a website or at least an online catalogue of plans somewhere!

Cheers, Cameron.

I agree about the web site, though until fairly recently, most of my work was custom and much of it still is. An example would the design above, Murphy, which is a stock design, but the gaff cat version is a modification for a fellow in Italy, done just a few months ago. Custom design or semi custom requires one on one relationships and costs considerably more too, none of this needs a web site. Admittedly I'd move more stock design plan sets if I had a site.

I do have several designs listed on the WoodenBoat Design Directory, though I have to admit their search engine sucks. (> Boat Plans and Kits Directory <)