Thread: Hartley Fast Twin 18 Cat.

Have you bought the plans yet Speedy100?

It might be a bit outdated and heavy and relatively slow.

But if it is the old world charm you like - I kinda like it too - then go for it!

The Woods designs are good examples of modern light recreational sailing cats.



You can see how simple the structure is compared to the Hartley - fewer pieces means less cost and less weight and much less labour.


Here is their 14 footer sailing
[ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=HXTN-q45LBE&feature=related"]YouTube - Pixie sailing catamaran by Woods Designs[/ame]

The woods boats are here http://www.sailingcatamarans.com/

There may be a good reason for no photos of the Hartley Cats ... I'd suspect that there hasn't been an order for decades. But just to reinforce ... if you like the look and charm then go with the Hartley, but if you just want a boat that works well go with a Woods, there are not many similar modern wooden cats, most are either too high performance or not very well thought through.

MIK

This building diary may be a useful resource for woods designs.

The Pixie is the 14ft version, but the structure is the same as the larger boats

http://www.timedworld.com/pixie/

BTW this is the Hartley ...

Fast Twin 18.... 7'6" beam. 170sq ft of sail. A larger version of the 16, ideal for family cruising. Stowed on edge it takes less than 3' of garage space.

Most of Mr hartley's plans are available from clarkcraft.com. I have issues with hartley and brooks because I made the mistake once of buying from them, only to get abused for my trouble when I dared to ask a question.

clarkcraft promised nothing and delivered what I paid for, a set of trimaran plans.

There are quite a few plans for small cats around, wharram has a couple for example more in the traditional line. Stevenson projects have a 12' aswell, I've got those plans somewhere.

Perhaps beach cats are expensive in Greece but here it would make absolutely no sense to build one with good glass beach cats available under $1k.

HOwdy Damian,

No one said it had to make sense ).

Look at the wonderful chaos on all these forums ... almost none of it is highly rational!

Best wishes
MIK

Originally Posted by Boatmik

... almost none of it is highly rational!

That's why they've got me, to keep the forum rooted in reality

Richard

now, where'd I leave me pills

Thank You all guys for Your input. I appreciate it...
I do have the plans for about four years now but did not start building anything because of no space available yet. Soon i hope...
I will look into the Woods boats too as i am also not satisfied from a not so appropriate reply from Hartley's when i asked some additional info...
And Damian yes in Greece cats are kind of expensive plus i want to make one myself for the fun of the making.

Thank You all again.

Best Regards
Speedy100

If you saw my shed you'd understand it has nothing to do with reason.

I understand your desire to build and that's all good, I just thought I should suggest a reality check. Continuing in that vein I suggest Mr Woods boats would save you more money and produce such a demonstrably superior result that the cost of plans would be overwhelmed. Also unlike Hartley who offer no after sales support despite what is on their site, Mr Woods is a true gentleman and vastly experienced in both building boats and supporting his customers. The Wharram office offer good after sales support also. If it's your first build forums like this one will be a tremendous help, but experience with the details of a specific design will be of even greater use to you.

Thus regardless of which design you decide to build I commend using a designer who supports their product and has a good reputation. Mr Horstman has some interesting boats you might consider also.

http://www.edhorstmanmultihulldesigns.com/

The 19C or Tri18 might suit although they are more "old fashioned" designs than Mr Woods.

Mr Piver and Mr Wharram were in the first wave of modern multihull designers. Mr Horstman, Mr Brown, Mr Marples etc were second wave designers. Mr Hartley was a great boat designer who tried a few multihull designes during the Wharram/Piver era. Mr Woods, Mr Farrier etc came along later and offer more modern stuff. A you've said this is an emotional undertaking and it really depends on what you want to end up with as to which path you follow. Most people embrace the more modern designs. I just advise you pick a credible designer with a good reputation and after sales support.

2c.

Originally Posted by damian

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Thus regardless of which design you decide to build I commend using a designer who supports their product and has a good reputation. Mr Horstman has some interesting boats you might consider also.

http://www.edhorstmanmultihulldesigns.com/

The 19C or Tri18 might suit although they are more "old fashioned" designs than Mr Woods.
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Most people embrace the more modern designs. I just advise you pick a credible designer with a good reputation and after sales support.

2c.

Hello Damian,

Thank You for Your reply and info.
I have looked at the Ed Horstman designs and i do find them very interesting. I have not made my mind yet but most likely i will go with a more modern design as all guys in here suggest. The cost of the plans for a small size cat is not very expensive so it is not a problem there.

I will be back in this soon as i have some progress... in my mind mostly.....hehehe!!

Have a good day
Speedy

You might also find something in Bernd Kohler's cattledog too
http://www.ikarus342000.com/CATpage.htm

And here's another, more cruisy style of beach cat.
http://www.slidercat.com/

cheers
AJ

Originally Posted by b.o.a.t.

You might also find something in Bernd Kohler's cattledog too
http://www.ikarus342000.com/CATpage.htm

And here's another, more cruisy style of beach cat.
http://www.slidercat.com/

cheers
AJ

Thank You AJ
I Appreciate it.

Speedy100

Originally Posted by speedy100

Thank You AJ
I Appreciate it.

Speedy100

No worries Bloke.
Always happy to confuse a decision by introducing more choices!

Ray isn't doing plans for slider yet.

Originally Posted by damian

Ray isn't doing plans for slider yet.

G'day Damian

according to his web-site, Ray has had so many requests that he's started working them up. First sheet is available on-line as 'study plan'.

cheers
AJ