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21st June 2009, 11:13 PM #1Member
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A little Rowboat, i would love anyones opinion :)
Hey everyone,
My names Michael,
i dont have ANY experience in building any kind of water craft and have been looking around the forums exploring a bit.
i stumbled across some plans for a little boat at this link:
http://www.vintageprojects.com/boats/plywood-row.html
i had a squiz at the "one piece plywood" boat link. would this be good for a first stab at boat building?
im not the most experienced with wood, im only young, but i did woodwork at school for 4 years, and have recently taken it up as a hobby. i wont be surprised if im laughed at but im here to learn and will put in the yards
Michael
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22nd June 2009, 12:41 AM #2
You do realise that their 'one piece of plywood' boat uses a piece of ply that's 14' long - you can't buy that anymore, the longest you can get is 8'.
Don't try to save money by saving on the plans, it always, always costs you more than you could possibly save.
Do you want a row boat? Do you need a row boat? Or do you need something different and were just looking at this because it seemed cheap and easy?
Realistically mate, go to Mik Storer's website, choose the boat that fits your needs and buy a set of his plans. I say this because his 'plans' are not a set of basic drawings like those you've shown. For your money, you get a booklet that is the nearest thing to a boat building course you are going to get outside of paying for a boat building course. If you want a rowboat, he has a rowboat. If you want a sail boat, you've got his PDR racer or his GIS. If you want a power boat, you've got his Handy Punt. They are all high performance boats designed and documented to be built by muggins builders like yourself.
Another alternative is Gavin Atkin's Mouseboat - free plans, they need a sheet and a half of 8' ply and are very good either with a paddle or under oars as a rowboat ... though you need to decide before hand which option you want. The downside is that you do not get all the documentation you get with Mik's designs but there is a healthy Mouseboat community and yahoo group. The Mouseboat was my introduction to boat building after I realised that Redback's plans were a horrendous pile of cocky poo (I actually needed the skills learned in a proper boat building course to finish Redback).
Mate, even a Mouseboat will cost you a couple of hundred bucks. That boat you've linked to will cost quite a bit more. When you add up ply, epoxy, timber and paint, the cost of a decent set of plans is minor. This is why I'm strongly pushing Mik's plans - they are 'cheap' and they provide a HUGE amount of information, information that you won't get elsewhere. They also have the added advantage that you can come on here with your problems and we'll all gang up on Mik until he's sorted them out for you
Just some thoughts ... but first, work out what you actually want and build that, DON'T be misled by thoughts of doing it 'cheap' or you'll wind up with an unsatisfying craft like my Redback.
Richard
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22nd June 2009, 12:53 AM #3
Howdy,
The boat shown is not really a very good rowboat. The transom is quite wide and it is dragging in the water.
Michael, what do you want the boat for? You want to row out and go fishing, or just have a boat that you can just use when you feel like getting out on the water.
There might be other choices that make more sense for your lifestyle and idea of having fun.
MIK
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22nd June 2009, 01:01 AM #4
I forgot to include Mik's Eureka canoe if you want a canoe
Seriously Michael, work out what you want to do and build that, don't stuff about with intermediate boats. Of course, you might change your mind, I didn't realise that I'd prefer rowing to stuffing about with sails until after I'd tried a few sail boats, but as most on here will attest, I am a bit weird
Richard
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22nd June 2009, 01:02 AM #5Member
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22nd June 2009, 02:36 AM #6
Another option is to get a copy of Harold Payson's "Instant Boats" books.
http://www.instantboats.com/
The designs are by Philip Bolger, and they work. Again, you get a course in boat-building
included in the book, although you have to be careful of some of the short-cuts in
materials which are available to north americans, which we dare not take here. (You
avoid these if you build one of MIK's designs, and MIK's are optimised for performance
rather than extreme build simplicity.)
cheers
AJ
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22nd June 2009, 09:23 PM #7Member
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im just looking for a simple rowboat like one you would hire out from a national park.
im looking for something to add to my portfolio, something to impress the friends and impress a lady with a picnic.
i dont mind rowing, any excuse for exercise, im not a regular sailor or anything. just looking for something not too challenging but still exciting.
ill have a browse of Miks designs, i have plenty of time to decide (ie next summer)
but i appreciate all the imput!
Michael
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22nd June 2009, 11:18 PM #8
how do you feel about canoes and kayaks. They use the minimum amount of materials and can be quite seaworthy. people go long distances in them.
MIK
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22nd June 2009, 11:21 PM #9
And also the easiest to move around and store.
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22nd June 2009, 11:25 PM #10procrastinator
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Also check out the designs by John Welsford at http://www.jwboatdesigns.co.nz/plans/plans.htm#rowing
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22nd June 2009, 11:29 PM #11procrastinator
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Or if you are willing to sacrifice stability for speed have a look at these http://www.guideboat.ca/
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22nd June 2009, 11:57 PM #12Member
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Hi Michael,
There are plenty of simple rowing boats around, I am partial to this one by Jim Michalak, it takes 3 sheets of 6mm ply and a small amount of epoxy.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/ji...kiff/index.htm
The plans can be found in his book, which has plenty of information for anyone contemplating simpler, more 'homely' projects. He also has plans for budget oars.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/media/bo...alak/index.htmLast edited by Fair Dink; 22nd June 2009 at 11:58 PM. Reason: typo
Charter boat? What charter boat!?
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23rd June 2009, 01:14 PM #13Member
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23rd June 2009, 03:33 PM #14
"rough average cost"
No such thing unfortunately.
At the cheapest end of the scale, Bolger's 'Teal' rowing/sail boat & MIK's 'Eureka'
canoe come out of two sheets of 6mm ply plus assorted other bits of timber &
glass tape. Figure around $450 using cheapest marine ply & timber, or closer to
$650 if you go for premium materials. Both boats perform beautifully, although
Teal rows better than it sails. You won't buy any commercial boat that comes
close for the money. They'll be heavier & slower, at best. And more likely cost
twice as much for a lesser performing boat. My avatar is a modified 'Teal'.
Pictures of others linked from http://www.instantboats.com/
MIK's Eureka can be seen at http://www.storerboatplans.com/
Going bigger...
Add $80 - $120 for each extra sheet of ply you need.
Add $100 if you want to glass sheath the bottom.
Double the cost if you want to build in strip plank & blow the socks off your friends with an amazing looking boat.
Hope this helps.
cheers
AJ
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23rd June 2009, 11:02 PM #15Member
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Add $100 if you want to glass sheath the bottom. <<< love this idea cause its something new to try and add to my skills.
Double the cost if you want to build in strip plank & blow the socks off your friends with an amazing looking boat. <<< your gonna hate me but whats a strip plank...
ill hit up the links and see what i like.
mean while my parents are gonna kill me cause i "borrowed" a powertool off a mate, by this i mean i lightened my bank account a little on a hand trimmer at bunnings
they are also not thrilled at the idea of me building a boat but hey im takin over the garage haha
MiLK
p. also thanks heaps for all the imput!
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