Thread: recomendations please

Howdy,

Scaling down is a really bad idea. Stability disappears quite quick any twisted panels will not fit together so well any more and the sail plan will go out of balance unless you know exactly what you are doing with the relation of it, the hull and the centreboard.

This boat is a style I am very familiar with.

I had a look at the specification for this boat ... 140sq ft is a lot of sail for a boat without trapeze. It will be a very hard boat for two people to hold up.

About 80 square feet is OK for one person to sail with.

Generally on a boat this size about 100 square feet is OK for two people to sail and can be sailed by one in light winds - but you can push it up to around 115 but it gets tricky wihout a trapeze.

140square feet two people will need to be quite experienced without trapeze and one person will not be able to singlehand without using the trapeze as well. Even with trapeze the boat will be tricky. Be fun in light wind.

But on the other hand the drawing doesn't look anything like 140 square feet ... are there two versions?

With an open transom the way it is the boat will not carry 4 people as the stern of the boat will sink and water will come in the back. and the boat will settle that way. Two adults and a couple of smaller kids would probably be OK though. It will be fine for two aboard and maybe a third person. But you can fix that OK by fitting a transom on the back and self draining through two flaps.

Best wishes
Michael

Ceck these ones out.

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/ji...ly12/index.htm

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/mixer/index.htm

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/mixer2/index.htm

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/ji...dink/index.htm

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/ji...pram/index.htm

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/skat/index.htm

http://www.dinghysports.com/pj/MKII.html

how bout this. simple sabot hull with sealed deck. this could be done to any boat could it not?

i would only need room for one person maby 2 so i can teach my younger brother. we have 4 other boats for day triping/ overnight stays etc.

There's a reason it is photographed with small kids aboard.
Give you a hint... when I was 20kg lighter & more agile than I am now, I used
to ship water over the transom corner when tacking my kid sister's Sabot...

If that style interests you, Joel White's Nutshell is an even more capable & larger
8ft pram. Better looking too. Needs a bigger centreboard & kick-up rudder but an
incredibly sweet sailer with a reasonable turn of speed.
John Welsford's Tender Behind is just as sweet to sail as the Nutshell, but its
ergonomics aren't as good & Daddles didn't enjoy building his.

Both are FAR better 8ft boats than a Sabot for an adult.
Or even two adults, which a Sabot cannot do.

Bolger's Teal is a 12ft double-ender that comes out of 2 sheets of 6mm ply.
Built to plan, it would be less stable than Nutshell or TB but quicker & nearly as
sweet on the water. You could do the double-bottom thing on all 3 (with a weight
penalty getting it on & off the car of course.)

cheers
AJ

i understand thet a sabot is a small persons boat.

i was simply asking if i could put a fauls deck on any boat?

i am a strong youn bugger and can always put rollers on the rear racl ot make it easyer.

Originally Posted by weisyboy

i understand thet a sabot is a small persons boat.

i was simply asking if i could put a false deck on any boat?

i am a strong youn bugger and can always put rollers on the rear racl ot make it easyer.

<shrug> I guess so. It's all just engineering, isn't it !
You'll pay a weight penalty to & fro the car of course, as the deck is not
part of the designed structure.

Or you can keep the water out in the first place with wider side decks,
designed as part of the structure.

Bolger has a few designs which would likely be suitable - "Dart" is one that
springs to mind. But Dart, like many of his other hulls, was an experiment in a
particular aspect of hydrodynamics & is.... unconventional.

Incidentally, if you can handle the extra weight of a raised floor & assoc, what
is the issue with a larger dinghy? Storage ?

cheers
AJ

i have to get it on the back of the ute. i would love to get it in the twin cab 6' tray. i can get a 10' tinnie in there no trouble. but i may have to cart it on the single cab 8' tray but i can cart up to 6m on the racks.

im not in any hurry to start so will take my time to find the right boat.

what are the sail for teh pdr racer going to set me back? maby ill make one and tehn onsell it latter when i decide on what i really want.

would i be able to sell it latter?

how bout this?

http://www.dngoodchild.com/divide_for_small_craft.htm

Originally Posted by weisyboy

how bout this?

http://www.dngoodchild.com/divide_for_small_craft.htm

Which one? - the link is just for the whole page.
AJ

GRAEFIN-10

in prams and punts.

i really like the look of that boat.

where would the best place to buy sails/ materials be. could i get a sail that fits a diferent baot to fit it? and work.

i am full o questions as i am not a sail boat person, yet.

A bit hard to estimate how it will work ... there are not many details.

The weight looks in the modern range ... it has enough sail area.

That centreboard case looks inadequately braced and attached to the bottom. But that is easy to fix or the pic was taken before it was finished.

Need to get a designer's side view of the hull to make sure it is a true sailing boat shape rather than an adapted motor boat one.

MIK

how do i tell?

i will have to request more pics.

Originally Posted by weisyboy

how do i tell?

i will have to request more pics.

At least at less than AU$10, the plans aren't going to break the bank.
Heck, you could send off for half a dozen that look vaguely appealing & build your favourite !