Thread: Row/sail/General Purpose/Beach

Originally Posted by Daddles

That's exactly what I was thinking of

Why the advice to not go bigger than 12' ?

Richard

Come come that is way too easy, at this stage I have to totally agree with Brian but am desparately trying to come up with some alternatives to confuse things.

OK it's not clinker but how about this one.

Originally Posted by m2c1Iw

OK it's not clinker but how about this one.

Surely you jest - horrendous building method, very heavy, crap plans and ... mate, who do you think designed Redback and that build was a disaster from day one.

Richard

Thanks for that Brian - I tend to think of how much I'm stuffing into the hull rather than what's driving the thing.

Looks like it's a 12 footer.
I like the Shearwater.

Richard

Originally Posted by Daddles

Surely you jest - horrendous building method, very heavy, crap plans and ... mate, who do you think designed Redback and that build was a disaster from day one.

Richard

Ok ok, well read on here .................interesting

Originally Posted by m2c1Iw

Ok ok, well read on here .................interesting

Lovely looking little boat. Do you reckon he likes it?

Richard

Now if it's as good as its press,that's the very boat I've been promising myself for years-the lapstrake version that is.Thanks for posting that link m2,I've only ever seen a sketch before in Ian Smith's plans book. What next,that or the sea kayak I already have plans for?Decisions,decisions.It's all Richard's fault.
Cheers,
Dave.

Finding pictures of Iain Oughtred's Shearwater, Gannet, Fulmar series of dinghies can be difficult, so here are some pictures of the Gannet I used to own.

The gannet is 14'6" and with her beam and forward flare, she looks much bigger than that. At least 16' when next to a Wayfarer, some guesses were even higher. I think the 12' Shearwater will also be "big" for her size for the same reasons. My son currently has the building jig built, and mould frames cut for the Shearwater, and is just planning cutting solid wood for the spars, tiller and oars and then foils to have these done and out of the way before starting the hull.



nice flat run aft



very first ever sail in her






Brian

If strip plank were an option, Paul Gartside's Riff would have to be on the list,



As for rowing, surely it has to be Paul's version of the Cornish Flashboat



if it can do this Alaskan coast trip, surely it's good enough for us!



pretty good for 3mm doorskin plywood. Son has just insisted if I am going to build a rowboat it has to be the Flashboat!

Brian

Originally Posted by m2c1Iw

Ok ok, well read on here .................interesting

Too narrow for our Daddles - only 4'2" at the gunn'ls vs 5' for Oughtred's Shearwater.

Actually, reading through the .pdf for Shearwater, I'm wondering if it might be the boat
for me... Has the looks, the single lug option, the mechanical depth-sounder, the
beam (more would be nice), rough water ability.... Although, as per Brian's treatise
on Sheatwater vs. Gannet, when the wind gets up I think I might be happy to sacrifice
speed for space, and by extension, comfort.

cheers
AJ

It might be good for Daddles to review (restate here) his design brief again...none of the above boats fit what he wants! Rowing a Gannet? No way. Sailing a Flashboat with crew? No way. Riff, too little.

--Clint

I'll stick an oar in here (pun intended)....

Have a look at Ross Lillistone's "Phoenix" at Bayside Wooden Boats Ross Lillistone.

If she lives up to her press she's quite a nice boat. I've spoken with Ross a few times in the past and he's a thorough going gent, very approachable. The plans look very clear and detailed plus Ross is a builder before a designer so he's pretty practical.

Also your money would stay in the country .

Cheers
Redbeard

Originally Posted by Redbeard

I'll stick an oar in here (pun intended)....

Have a look at Ross Lillistone's "Phoenix" at Bayside Wooden Boats Ross Lillistone.

If she lives up to her press she's quite a nice boat. I've spoken with Ross a few times in the past and he's a thorough going gent, very approachable. The plans look very clear and detailed plus Ross is a builder before a designer so he's pretty practical.

Also your money would stay in the country .

Cheers
Redbeard

Too big mate. I'm after something a novice can single handed sail in the gulf where it's windy - the fifteen footers and the like can wait until I'm a bit more confident/skilled/stupid. Although I haven't stated this, it's not a single use boat either because I've got two kids coming after me, she'll be a bit of a family boat with any sort of luck.

I also don't want to make too many compromises here, which is why the 'rowing' component has been ditched in favour of a decent sail boat. I've had a few sail boats now and their respective compromises have all resulted in the fact that I still am not a sailor and have an oft repeated preference for oars. It'd be nice if this is the boat that helps me decide where I do stand on this question of sailing without having to add caveats like 'Henry was so heavy I could never get her to the water' or 'the Heron was fun but flimsy and complicated and the circumstances were life changing crap' and 'Redback is physically too small for me' and 'Sixpence is just too heavy to use easily' and ...

Maybe I'm being selective but I'm taking PAR's advice to build a pure sail boat, Keyhavenpotter's advice to not go bigger than 12' and my own predjudice against boats that take forever to set up (btdt) and need more than one sail (again, btdt). Easy, light and efficient is what I'm after but because it's a boat I want to own and enjoy for awhile, it needs to be a build method that I really like, which is why I'm sticking to lapstrake.

Richard

Richard,
Here is another one to consider, forgot about it earlier and I can recommend Johns book.

Cheers
Mike

Andrew Wolstenholme also designs some lovely epoxy clinker dinghies. here's a link to his Coot, Mallard and Swallow designs.

Wolstenholme Yacht Design

Mallard is the 12' design. Ooops just realised it's gunter!



I have owned two of his designs, the Coot and an Urchin built in heavy grp. I think he designs the most beautiful sheerlines of all the designers. Does not really show in the drawings but they look superb looking forward from the transom.

His plans are more for experienced builders, so Daddles would be fine.

Brian