Thread: A serious question

yep I get the same... as though someones hyjacked the site or looped into it and all I get is...

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nothing whatever to do with Pauls designs or anything else... actually now I click it its just a bloody search engine!

Dingo , I found the Paul Gartside article in the July/August 1999 issue of Water Craft.
It is a 30 ft Cutter designed for a Richard Best , based on the Falmouth Working boat .
He goes in to detail on the rationale of his design , particularly the keel and ballasting.
I also like his 37 ft gaff ketch motor sailer , thats my sort of boat !.
Rob J.

Dingo , one out of left field .
St Valery.
What is the current thought on her ?.
Rob J.

Hey Daddles
Ain't ya seen them thar seas off Portland, Nelson and the like!
Wouldn't even venture out past the end of the Glenelg River in 'Rusty' let alone that land-locked 14' artwork in yer shed.

I reckon nothing under 18 feet down there with plenty of protection from the elements.... dare I suggest a good sized Hartley maybe the Vixen 20+ http://www.hartley-boats.com/vix20cr.html

Then again you have that nice big solid one out the front, a bit of repair and a fresh paint job......and time..... could be quite an offer for the lad.


Aberdeen

Originally Posted by Daddles

Go to David Payne's website and buy the plans for the Yellowtail (check my avatar). She's a very seaworthy craft with both an outboard and a sail. At 14', not so small she'll suffer at sea but not so large she's hard to mess with on your own, and not so large she'll take forever to build - there is a quantum leap in effort between building a 14 footer and an 18 footer. Build the Yellowtail, get her on the water and start developing your skills. A summer on her will soon have you knowing where you want to go next ... and you'll have discovered yourself whether you use the motor or the sails more.

Richard

Daddles,
Forgot to mention, have finally made the first frame for the 18' Vixen.... and I totally concur on your comment...

".....and not so large she'll take forever to build - there is a quantum leap in effort between building a 14 footer and an 18 footer."

Spent some time with a mate last night (silly man wants to build a boat) and comparing the Husky, Scamp 15 & Vixen 18 plans..... crickey there IS a lot of difference in the work and complexities as they get bigger, not to mention cost..... sometimes simple and small is good.

Hoping to do 2 frames per week

Aberdeen

Rob one thing Ive always liked about Pauls designs... history!! beautiful designs... also the levels of experience he suggests gives a bit of a window into the degree of difficulty involved in the build

aaahhh St Valery... yes aahh yes indeed fine wee thing she be Mr Bolgers absolute best home builderable in my opinion... but the one for me? mmmm juries still out on that one mate See now Ive started thinking about either the Golant Gaffer by Roger Dongray or the Secret by Derek Ellard two truely fine wee boats... Ive also been quite interested in several of Ken Hankinsons designs for some time and now theyre back on the market Im sorely tempted and the Noyo Trawler takes my fancy still... and so now Im back to being flamin snookered again and its really getting rather bloody painfull

I have at this time in the shed parts for
1) Atkin's Valgerda {tiller, rudder, mast}
2) A 1930ish designed house boat {wheel, console, mooring bitts, ramps etc}
3) What started out as parts for a workboat but have sorta ended up just sittin on the bench annoying shyte outta me {bitts, belaying pins, etc}
4) Several parts for the Stevensons Weekender {keel, wheel, pot holes, tabernacle}
5) the moulds and building boards for not 1 not 2 but 3 canoes

And none of them inspire me whatever now!!!

Dingo I was taken by the look of St Valery when I first saw her , and was interested in the "conversations" you and MIK had about her , I was just interested in hearing your opinion , whether you had managed to get her "sorted out".
Looking through the Gartside site carefully , when it was up , and looking through an individuals site for someone who was building one of his boats , yes it seems to me it requires a fair amount of traditional boat building skills.
I like his fishing boat inspired motor sailers.
But the thought of me building one in my shed , well , that could only be in my dreams !.
But ya know , there are a heap of Tassie style fishing boats out there , some of the older ones , still sound ,are more of a sailing form , and convert well to a motor sailer.
Maybe they don't do either particularly well , like you can sure get a faster motor boat , and a sail boat that will sail better to all points , but gee , I reckon they would be persistant buggers , they just keep on keeping on.
And thats really what I need.
It reminds me of a fight I saw in the old Jimmy Sharmans tent , maybe 50 years ago.
One of the local boys , a bull of a man , climbed in the ring with a crafty aboriginal fighter.
The aboriginal fighter gave him a boxing lesson , but the local boy just took it all , he was still standing , and the aboriginal was exhausted.
In the finish , he stuck his jaw out , and allowed the aboriginal to give him his best shot , and he was still standing !.
Then that nasty look came in to his eyes , and he started throwing leather of his own , it was not a pretty sight.
I want something that can take it all , if it has to be , and comes out the other end.
I won't be looking for trouble , but if it finds me , I'd like to have confidence in my boat.
Rob J.

Rob mate thats exakatackaly why I cant decide!! I keep wanting something thats not quite what Im wanting and everything I see is lacking that something

You look to the Tassie fishing boats while I look to the Broome and TI Pearling Luggars... but 50ft is too much for any solo let alone me to build... not that Im not game hell Id go for it but the sheer timber sizes!! and seriously Ive no intent of spending a good part of what lifes remainin to me buildin a friggin boat

So a few years back I yep me thats yer old mate Dingo here had a right solid bash at "downsizing" Trixen to 26ft... but an NA or even a fair to piddlin drawer I am not truth to tell it looked like "shyte" so Ive tried and Ive tried and hell Ive tried so many times to redraw it in that stupid Freeship program... and while I can get it sorta near on not real close its just not happening... so I go nuts then forget it for a few months then go round again

So I know what you mean

Something takes your fancy that it could be it... damn it it is it... then you have another gander and suddenly your going mmmm

For me theres few luggars for sale around here and what are theyre askin a kings ransom for... Even the old jarrah fishing boats seem to be going for way more than Id pay and really Im not a tight wad by any stretch of the imagination... now if I could just get one "donated" Id be happy

old Jimmy Sharmans tent!!! Gawd strewth mate!! Talk about reboot the old memory glands My first... and I mean my first go round in a boxing ring was in one of his tents!! got in a few good whacks before the mongrel sent me outta the ring and into the audience I take that kinda serious or did back then got into the local youth club joined the boxing and came back a year later and dropped the bastard flat never went back to either

Well Dingo , I've done a bit of boxin' , but not in Jimmy Sharmans tent .
I saw some good fights there though !.
As to the luggers , I like them too , but just get the impression they are a boat for "you and the boys" , they look an "armstrong" boat.
I had my eye on a Cayzer ex fishing boat down in Tassie , 36 ft , a nice conversion , but she was soon snapped up.
But I happen to know where there is another Cayzer sister ship , Gardner 5LW , gaff rig , great hull , buggered wheelhouse , just ripe for conversion.
An easily driven hull , given the thumbs up by a very experienced wooden boat builder.
Have I got the nerve ?.
I reckon if I got the wheelhouse done , make sure I keep fresh water out of the rest of it , I could use it , on my own if I have to , while I do the interior.
I know the history , the complete history of the boat , and I know it is a well proven sea boat , but I just don't want to get out of my depth , rebuilding it.
Its a worry !.
Rob J.

Originally Posted by Wild Dingo

I have at this time in the shed parts for
1) Atkin's Valgerda {tiller, rudder, mast}
2) A 1930ish designed house boat {wheel, console, mooring bitts, ramps etc}
3) What started out as parts for a workboat but have sorta ended up just sittin on the bench annoying shyte outta me {bitts, belaying pins, etc}
4) Several parts for the Stevensons Weekender {keel, wheel, pot holes, tabernacle}
5) the moulds and building boards for not 1 not 2 but 3 canoes

And none of them inspire me whatever now!!!

Well I can't say you inspire me either and I'm not in your shed ... how could I possibly fit??

You guys are going too fast for little old me . I've got work to do and houses to research ... BTW how's yours dingo, did you find a kit here in the west that you liked? ...and after all that I get to spend a little time researching more boats ... at the moment I'm doing one a night and going to bed dreaming and thinking over the pros and cons ... keep up the suggestions .... but pls slow them down a tad

I e-mailed Paul Gartside , and have just got a response.
They had problems with the site , but it is back up and running now , and he is still flat out designing and building boats.
Rob J.