Thread: Surf Scooter 22'

Originally Posted by honkongphoie

what's every ones opinion on the Surf Scooter?

Well, you'd have to get rid of that flag for a start

Looks the goods mate.

Weight. How much of an issue is that for you? How often are you going to pull it out of the water? Where's the weight coming from? If it's just wood, that's a big increase in building costs so, can you afford it?

It's a serious build so make sure it'll do everything you want in the close future - don't worry about further down the track because things will change by then and you'll find you want something different

Richard

Originally Posted by Daddles

Well, you'd have to get rid of that flag for a start

would that be better for you

Originally Posted by Daddles

Weight. How much of an issue is that for you? How often are you going to pull it out of the water? Where's the weight coming from? If it's just wood, that's a big increase in building costs so, can you afford it?

Even though she's only 3' longer and 6" wider it's a lot more boat, The Surf Scoter's displacement is 4,100 lbs. with fuel and water. She carries almost 50 gallons of water as interior ballast.
i'm hoping she will stay in the water all year round, if not then we have enough good companies that specialise in boat haulage.
As for the extra cost it just means i'll take a little longer to complete, plus i will be financially better off next year

Originally Posted by Daddles

It's a serious build so make sure it'll do everything you want in the close future - don't worry about further down the track because things will change by then and you'll find you want something different

Richard

as already said it will do every thing i need and more i could actually take a few trips to France in this little beauty

thanks for your input and wise words Daddles.

The weight of the build can be directly related to the costs and effort to build. The heavier the build, the more materials it takes to build it. You're looking at twice the build.

Originally Posted by PAR

The weight of the build can be directly related to the costs and effort to build. The heavier the build, the more materials it takes to build it. You're looking at twice the build.

Oh no, he might have to buy a POWER TOOL

Richard

Originally Posted by PAR

The weight of the build can be directly related to the costs and effort to build. The heavier the build, the more materials it takes to build it. You're looking at twice the build.

Looking at the build pictures and the PDF file i had from Sam the only real difference is the scoter has more framing (all 3/4"ply so not light), a higher free board and a lot more storage and seating in the cabin, as for the timber i have already got and joined the eighteen sheets 1/2" ply for the hull so that,s one lot of ply cost out of the way.
if it takes longer then expected to build then so be it.

the reason this is a one time build only for me is where i'm going to build the boat is the other half's fathers vinery/green houses/glass houses (don't know what you call them?) and they are all being taken down because they are all in a bad state of disrepair, i have covered the section i use as best i can to prevent water getting in, but this section will also have to come down to get the boat out when finished, so when it's gone it's gone and won't be going back up so if i'm going to build big i have to do it this time.

Originally Posted by Daddles

Oh no, he might have to buy a POWER TOOL

Richard

oh i have plenty power tools Richard, the angle grinder being one of my favourites
But believe me i won't be doing the sanding of a 22' hull by hand (well maybe the final sanding before paint)

opps i seem to have just ordered the Surf Scoter 22 plan

what have i done

Originally Posted by honkongphoie

opps i seem to have just ordered the Surf Scoter 22 plan

what have i done

You've just ordered the Surf Scoter 22 plan ... when you really wanted the Surf Scooter 22 plan

Mate, you need to change what you're drinking

Richard

but are you going to build it?

I'm an utter ignorant when it comes to this sort of boat, so what follows is valid for emotional purposes only

I like the look of the Scooter better.
I don't think much of Sam Devlin's service to you (in this case, other cases may be different).

If you don't mind the extra work, this would probably be more sea worthy and I do like the thought that you'd be able to take trips to France in her, whether you do or not is immaterial, the fact that you can makes her more useful and probably safer, it's not as though you're working in a shallow, man made lake designed for rowing races is it.

Richard

Originally Posted by Daddles

You've just ordered the Surf Scoter 22 plan ... when you really wanted the Surf Scooter 22 plan

Mate, you need to change what you're drinking

let me tell you a little story
nearly three weeks ago i was working on extending my work area and started to get chest pains never mind i though it's only a strain and will go away, a week later i took a 10 day break to Alderney to take part in a week long shore fishing festival (all night fishing and all that) pain still there and getting worse, it was now in my back also.
Got back home last Sunday and had a job to move with out sever pains, so went to see the doc (not my normal doc) on Monday he thought as me i'd just strained myself moving some heavy timber around.
Anyway still getting worse so yesterday i managed to see my normal doc in the morning, he was worried and told me to meet him in hospital at 1 o'clock. he plugged me in to all the gadgets gave me several Xrays and blood tests, only to descover i have been suffering from Pneumonia for the last 3 weeks
so as i am typing this i'm high on morphine, other pain killers and antibiotics

Originally Posted by Daddles

but are you going to build it?

Yes i will build it Richard, i now have a real project i can get my teeth into

Originally Posted by honkongphoie

Yes i will build it Richard, i now have a real project i can get my teeth into

Too flamin' right there mate

As for them pills and potions, yeah, they'll mess with the thinking material. Get fit mate and stay out of that Yellowtail unless you take a dog who's trained to dive in and rescue you

Richard

Originally Posted by Daddles

I like the look of the Scooter better.
I don't think much of Sam Devlin's service to you (in this case, other cases may be different).

well as i've been off work this week i have been searching the net and came across a forum discussing the dipper in 2000 even back then there was talk of sam doing a plan for an extended 19' Dipper

Originally Posted by Daddles

If you don't mind the extra work, this would probably be more sea worthy and I do like the thought that you'd be able to take trips to France in her, whether you do or not is immaterial, the fact that you can makes her more useful and probably safer, it's not as though you're working in a shallow, man made lake designed for rowing races is it.

Richard

i don't mind the extra work it helps keep me busy ( i always have to be fiddling with something) and from the reports i've read say she is a very sea worthy design and very stable

Originally Posted by honkongphoie

well as i've been off work this week i have been searching the net and came across a forum discussing the dipper in 2000 even back then there was talk of sam doing a plan for an extended 19' Dipper

Even Mik crunches the numbers quicker than that

Nah, go ahead and fall in love with the new build

Richard

(you've even got a name for her, you can call her 'Scotar' (after the typo above) ... and have everyone wondering what the hell you're talking about )

Originally Posted by Daddles

Even Mik crunches the numbers quicker than that

i think reading that thread really put the nail in the coffin of the dipper for me

Originally Posted by Daddles

Nah, go ahead and fall in love with the new build

i already do love it, i'd just assumed a boat that size was beyond my capability's so had dismissed it into my dream boat list.

Originally Posted by Daddles

(you've even got a name for her, you can call her 'Scotar' (after the typo above) ... and have everyone wondering what the hell you're talking about )

Thanks for the suggestion Richard but she already has her name, since i was a little boy walking home from school every day passing an old boat in some ones yard being restored named Calypso, i said to myself one day i'll own a boat and name it Calypso. well i've built three now "SU-SU" after my mother and girlfreind (both named Sue) Little Yellow Pinky it was small and painted yellow and pink and Domino after my cat. Now i think this boat will be the worthy owner of the name "Calypso"

Just go for it.

It will be an easy build after the Yellowtail. Most of the techniques are the same - cutting timber to size, working with epoxy etc. Only issue to figure out would be turning her over but that is easy enough.

We have just started a 22' Devlin "Godzilla" design for a client and certainly the build method is simple, robust and practical. Just make sure you use some decent plywood and it should all be great fun.

Don't know why Sam isn't responding. I sent him some queries on the Godzilla design and we received a pretty prompt reply.

regards,

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