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    I for one will be very interested in how she goes.
    I'd even ask to be there , except I've just had a shoulder reconstruction , and would be a liability.
    Regards Rob J.

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    Here are the drawings for the boat that has my eye , a variant of the bartender.
    It looks just perfect to me , able to handle rough water , built for trolling , and very economical.
    And trailerable.
    http://www.bartenderboats.com/images...206-9-2009.pdf .
    Regards Rob J.

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    Check out the photos of the aluminium Timbercoast boat , very impressive ! http://www.bartenderboats.com/design.html .
    But I reckon a wooden one could be even better !.
    Regards Rob J.

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    That aluminium timbercoast is for sale http://eqmarine.com/Timbercoast_22.html .
    It looks a very nice boat !.
    But I'd like to see her in wood.
    Regards Rob J.

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    Going through the various sites featuring the Timbercoast , and I see that she has a beam of 7ft 4 inches.
    Great !.
    But that apparently is measured at the waterline !.
    Is that usual ?.
    I mean if the boat on her trailer is to be used on the road , it has to be under 2.5 metres , which is 8ft 2 inches or so.
    Registration authorities couldn't give 2 hoots where the waterline on the boat is , or what its measurement is , but the total width , right ?.
    And wouldn't it be great , if it fitted in a shipping container !.
    The world would be your oyster !.
    I've never heard of beam being measured at the waterline before.
    Rob J.

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    This is the specification sheet that has thrown me http://www.tadroberts.ca/services/sm.../timbercoast22 .
    Check out the beam measurement.
    I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box , but wl means waterline.
    Rob J.

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    I'm not sure why Tad did this to the beam spec, but typically the total beam is 10% or so wider, so the actual beam will be in the 8' 1" to 8' 2" range, though checking with him in an email might be a good idea.

    I'm glad to see someone is modernizing the Bartender designs, though I don't know if this is the only one (aluminum displacement cruiser) or if a plywood version is also available. I do know there's a plywood Bartender 22', but is it the modernized, displacement cruiser with taped seams, or still a plank over frame build (I don't know).

    There's a quite a few of these dory like displacement cruiser plans available. I think the full plane versions of the Bartender are more enjoyable, but this is purely personal subjection on my part.

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    PAR , yes I've emailed Tad , to see what the actual beam is.
    Boy , this is a real surprise to me !.
    My understanding is that there is of course the Timbercoast 22 plywood boat , but the photos are of an aluminium version.
    Which happens to be for sale.
    I asked the boat broker what her beam was , and he believes it is 7ft 4.
    But he isn't sure if that includes the rub rail.
    If I wanted to put it in a container , I might get a VERY nasty surprise !.
    We need to know the ACTUAL size !.
    Getting back to the wooden boat , I reckon it could be made in to a much more appealing boat than the aluminium.
    When not being use , it would be on a trailer , in a shed , so maintenance will be little different.
    I just find wood less extreme , in hot or cold temps , and quieter.
    And it is better to look at and has a soul.
    In regard to being a modern bartender , to be honest , I think its drawing a long bow , to be calling a Timbercoast a Bartender.
    To me they are quite different boats.
    But the brief Tad used suits me perfectly.
    I want a trolling boat.
    I want a boat that handles well , and is economical , at trolling speeds.
    I want a boat I can use all year round , and that can handle the rough stuff.
    And that is trailerable , and that also fits in to a container , would be nice.
    I'm in no hurry , out on the boat.
    I have a trolling line out almost all of the time.
    The only time I don't , is when the fridge is full.
    I'd like to use hybrid power http://www.hybrid-marine.co.uk/5.html , along with the main and foresail , it would mean a lot of the time I wouldn't even be running the diesel.
    Regards Rob J.

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    You are correct the new version is a different boat, with better lines, to keep wave making down, which improves efficiency over the original Bartenders, which were full plane mode hulls. It retains much of the Bartender look and most wouldn't know the difference, unless they really where familiar with the Calkens design.

    The parallel hybrid design looks interesting, though way more costly than a more conventional arrangement. It will take many years of service, to recover the investment costs in fuel savings.

    Putting one in a shipping container will require a 40' or a 40' high cube. The internal dimension will be 7' 8" in width, though you can gain a few more inches if you turn it on it's side (7' 10" I think). I don't think a Bartender, regardless of type (old or new) will fit. Tad may be able to modify the lines a bit to accommodate this need, though I wouldn't want to hazard a guess as to what he'd charge for this.

    Yacht and boat brokers never have any idea what they're talking about. They're just sales people that will tell you anything if it helps get a sale.

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    Yes , it would take a long time to save the extra cost of the hybrid PAR , over what is already an economical setup.
    Its just being able to operate without turning the diesel on , that appeals.
    Its there when I need it , but I'd learn to operate mostly without it.
    I've got to reply now to a shipper , who will advise me on shipping possibilities.
    Apparently a Flat Rack is the go .
    Regards Rob J.

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    I might have related this before , but fishermen who have spent big money on a great big piece of tupperware , and 2 huge gas guzzling outboards , get very frustrated when they are outfished by a bloke in a sailboat.
    Their theory is that its the lack of engine noise.
    Whatever it is , I know from experience , there is a hell of a difference in catch , trolling under sail , and trolling under engine power.
    Rob J.

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    I got a reply back from Bill , the owner of Bartender Boats.
    This is his reply , in part " WL beam is about 6'- 4". Molded beam at sheer is 7'- 4".

    Bill."
    Now to find out if it is easily shippable.
    It would be nice to trailer a good trolling boat to Tassie for the summer , or ship it to NZ , and cruise around there.
    Rob J.

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    Has anybody got any more boat suggestions ?.
    Regards Rob J.

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    I should repeat , that I really like the Timbercoast style of boat.
    And I believe as a hybrid powered motorsailer it would tick all of the boxes for me.
    Its certainly not the perfect boat , but the best compromise , for me , I believe.
    I'm yet to get a reply from Tad , and Bill isn't keen on any engine change.
    So where to now ?.
    Rob J.

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    Cool Runnings , how did the Titon go ?.
    Would there be any trouble getting 4 extra batteries in that boat ?
    Regards Rob J.

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