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  1. #61
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    Hoping to fire up the engine for the first time this week and we'll see how it goes from there.I'm confident the engineering side should work well but there will no doubt be some 'tweaks' required somewhere.

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    Gable 2 , tell us about your boat , please.
    Regards Rob J.

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    I think the point PAR makes is a good one.
    Put a handful of people on the boat , and the VCG is going to be higher than the affect of using a V drive.
    But my pea brain keeps telling me the same thing , bring the engine back in to the cockpit , use a remote V drive , and batteries under a flat cockpit floor , and the VCG should change , for the better.
    And be less affected by said people in the cabin/cockpit.
    Fair comment ?.
    Rob J.

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    I'm not much of a fan of V drives. They were initially invented to solve straight shaft setup issues, allowing lower shaft angles and moving the engine aft in smaller boats. This was in the day when having an outboard simply meant your where "outboard" on your boat, wishing it would start up again. It took quite a while for outboards to become reliable. In fact when I grew up, everyone had two outboards, the main 30 - 40 HP and the little 6 HP kicker, to bring your sorry butt home, when the inevitably of your outboard's reliability, reared it's head. No one trusted them for decades, so the straight shaft setup remained king. This isn't the case now.

    I'd rather have an outboard in a well, just inboard of a transom, than an inboard or an inboard with a V drive. Outboards are light per HP, their CG tends to be lower too, especially if in a well instead of on the transom. Vectored thrust steering is hard to surrender. I have a few straight shaft boats and I hate to operate them, because they handle so poorly compared to an outboard or outdrive. Don't get me wrong, sometimes you just don't have a choice, if you do . . .

    In the end, the hull design will likely force your hand. Some boats have enough bilge depth to permit a clean V drive install, but many will require a little doghouse at the engine box, so the shaft can drop down below the cockpit sole. A nice, low, little tripping hazard you'll cuss about for years. If the boat has a deep enough bilge to get the shaft below it, before it exits the box, then maybe you might like it, but you're still married to a rudder steered boat, which is about as bad as it gets. If you're good at the "back and fill" maneuver, you'll be fine. If not, practice, because you'll need it.

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    PAR , I won't have petrol on any boat of mine .
    The V drive may not be popular , but in this case , with the hybrid setup , wouldn't it be the best ?.
    It would allow a flat floor in the cabin , and a high seat in the cockpit.
    I really want the sail/hybrid electric setup , I think it would be great for trolling.
    And the diesel is there when I need it.
    Regards Rob J.

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    A sail drive setup is cool and out of the way, though costly, compared to other setups. There's no "best" arrangement, though there are certainly some that are better suited for various needs and hull shapes. I understand the no gas concept, but the usual problem are the limited "hookup" options. It's possible to get bellhousing adaptors for just about anything, but it's just another added headache and expense, at least for me. The coolest sail drive setup I've seen was on a 70' ketch and the whole drive assembly, with the engine attached (70 HP Cummings) was able to swing through 160 degrees, so it had vectored steering. It was mounted on a huge gimbaled ring that was bonded to the bottom of the boat. A really neat arrangement, but I can only guess about what it cost to engineer this setup. That's a pretty big hole to insure doesn't leak (about 3' in diameter). This boat could park sideways at a dock, by turning the drive perpendicular to the boat's centerline. Slick . . .

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    One of the benefits of the full length keel , containing the prop on HS , is that you are less likely to get hooked up on lines , particularly from cray pots , which are very prevelent in the area. Its much the same as the 'couta boat , that was developed here.
    And the rudder comes off the back of the boat smoothly , so it won't pick anything up.
    The tuna boys in their big outboard machines just cut the lines , (stuff the owner of the cray pots).
    I have developed the skills to be able to dock on a swing mooring , or on a marina single handed , often under sail , so the mooring is less of an issue PAR , than having an efficient quiet , inexpensive to run trolling machine .
    Regards Rob J.

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    I've emailed Tad privately , again , hoping to see if the TC22 could be set up for hybrid power.
    Does anyone else know of an efficient design , that could be use to troll motorsailing , using hybrid power ?.
    Regards Rob J.

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    I give up.
    I'll get an old double ender cray boat , and set her up as a motorsailing troller .
    I'm wasting my time here.
    Rob J.

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