Thread: Kitchen Reno

Looking good Bob .
Yeah I reckon the old Oregon bench tops might have been a bit too soft.
Can you give us some details of the new coffee machine. I can’t recognise what it is.

Renovations looking good Bob, what sort of coffee machine is that? I’m picking up a few tamper kits from carbatec for my machine as well your collection looks extensive.

Cheers
Nathan

Coffee machine is one of these
Victoria Arduino Eagle One Prima Coffee Machine

Make sure you are sitting down when you see the price.

My previous coffee machine (La Cimbali Junior M21) is 19 years old and cost about half the price of the Eagle-One but the La Cimbali now has a bunch of issues. The internal painted steel frame has been de-rusted twice and is now rusting again, the very cracked drip tray needs replacing, as do the touch switches. and the hot water tap. While these parts are still available I figured instead of throwing money at such an old machine I would get something that willl keep me entertained for a long time to come. It's the only major appliance I'm replacing in the new kitchen as all the other appliances are good quality, <7 years old and still in good shape.

The coffee tamper handles are
The one under the knock box - that's spalted Pear wood

On the top of the machine from left to right
- a Purchased Pullman handle with a jarrah handle
- Laminated Pine
- Sandal wood
- Grass tree root
- Al, that one came with the new machine
I have a few more less exotic ones somewhere that I should dig out.

My ally welding BIL and I made the knock box to match the new machine.
details here Used Coffee Puck knock box.

Gulp - I saw the price . What else does it do apart from make coffee? Built-in toaster and microwave????

Awesome coffee machine looks like a solid investment for a kitchen I say

What are the features you like about it? Decent pressure? It looks commercial so I’m curious as to what makes a solid pouring machine

I currently have a little espresso machine, the pour is alright for smaller shots but I’m keen to understand what other machines improve on to get more crema stronger shot etc

Cheers
Nathan

I got my (then very expensive) 19 year old La Cimbali machine mainly because I wanted it to last especially after seeing so many budget end machines fail after just 2-3 years of use and no spare parts available. The fella I bought the Cimbali from said I should get 20 years out of it and I'd say 19 years is close enough. It still makes a very decent espresso and parts are still available, but I figure it had done its time and I was going to find it hard putting it back into that more "moderne" looking kitchen.

The Vitoria Arduino Eagle One Prima (abbreviated to E1) has a heap of features that I was attracted by, and I will list the ones I can can remember or have played with

It's very heavily built (at 32kg I thought the Cimbali was heavy) but the E1 comes in at 37 kg, and very solidly built so hopefully it should last a long time.
There lots of stainless steel and some Al and not a piece of painted metal and very little plastic in it.

It has a reasonably sophisticated microcontroller accessed via an App, and while I will mess with the App, I don't want to be using an App in the early morning to make coffee and with the E1 you can forget about the App if you want to as all the basic functions can be undertaken using the 3 buttons on top of the group head. I will use it that way 99% of the time.

It has 2 stainless steel boilers - a 1.5L boiler for steam and hot water, and a 140 mL boiler for espresso. Don't fear the small espresso boiler, it uses a very powerfull heating element that heats incoming water very fast - as fast as it takes to grind/setup the coffee for the nest shot.

The machine is heavily insulated so it loses far less heat into its surroundings and uses less power than comparable machines. It claims 30% less power but I will get the WattHr meter onto it and see what it says.

The steam and hot water controllers are not taps but "paddle actuated solenoids' with dual positions
- LHS paddle is for steam - down paddle action is continuous steam, up is single shot of steam to clear the staam wand which is double sleeved so no scalding hands on the wand itself.
- RHS paddle is for hot water - up paddle os for continuous hot water, down is for a mic of hot and cold water stove make long blacks, the ratio of hot to cold is set in the App.
This feature is really ice

Auto flushes the group head 3 seconds after the portafilter is removed. Make sure you don't dawdle removing the portafilter. :0

A few parameters (eg temp) can be easily set using the buttons on the front of the group head. stuff like setting auto start up im the mornings is done thong the App.

It's fully plumbable and comes with all the necessary connections ad hoses. I fully plumbed in my Cimbali but it was a hell of a lot of mucking about, the drain continually got blocked and it leaked several times making a mess of the cupboards underneath the machine. The supplied connections for the E1 look like good quality with proper seals and connections etc so hopefully this wont happen.

I have looked at the App and as usual it looks a tad bewildering - I have an excellent local coffee guru who will help me step my way though its essentials. As usual there will be App upgrades that supposedly do more than it is currently capable of.

It does make really nice coffee but, can I tell the difference between it and the Cimbali? - not really , there are so many factors that go into coffee making - the machine being at most about 30% of the inputs. I reckon my brothers $2000 VBM makes just as good a coffee as the E1 - the rest is "fruit" and longevity.

Happy to answer more questions

Bob, I'm sure you'll love your coffee machine, I have a Lelit Mara X, which also has a double walled steam delivery wand. It doesn't get hot; mostly.

The catch for me was one day when I was making a few coffees for friends and individually heating milk. As time went on, the double walled tube eventually gets quite hot, so much so that I had a reflex action when I went back to the machine about a minute or so after the third milk heating session. I didn't burn myself, the reflex action fixed that, but it was more than uncomfortably hot; if you get my drift. Other than that, the double walled steam delivery wand is cool.

I don't think the price is excessive, especially for what you are getting. Compared to some of the high priced automatic coffee machines, which have their place; but not in my place, it is reasonably good value.

Mick.

Originally Posted by BobL

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Holdup is the specialised painting requirements for the cupboard doors....

What is the plan here? Mine are getting desperate for paint, but really can't decide how to tackle it for longevity...

Originally Posted by r3nov8or

What is the plan here? Mine are getting desperate for paint, but really can't decide how to tackle it for longevity...

The carcases are regular water resistant white melamine but the doors are CNC machined dead flat and then spray painted with multiple coats of a special hard very low sheen - almost flat paint producing a super smooth finish that is easy to clean. The knobs are ceramic featuring images from the original Alice in Wonderland book.
My wife was a huge Alice in Wonderland fan.
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Originally Posted by Optimark

Bob, I'm sure you'll love your coffee machine, I have a Lelit Mara X, which also has a double walled steam delivery wand. It doesn't get hot; mostly.

Apart from the steam wand, the Lelit looks very much like my Brothers VBM that he loaned me while I was renovating the kitchen. I had to disconnect my La Cimbali and was able to use the VBM fo until I got the E1 machine last week.'
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Originally Posted by BobL

The carcases are regular water resistant white melamine but the doors are CNC machined dead flat and then spray painted with multiple coats of a special hard very low sheen - almost flat paint producing a super smooth finish that is easy to clean. The knobs are ceramic featuring images from the original Alice in Wonderland book.
My wife was a huge Alice in Wonderland fan.
paintfinish.jpg


IMG_6342.JPG

Thanks. Do you have the name of the product? And is it DIY or sent away as a pro job?

Originally Posted by Mr Brush

Gulp - I saw the price . What else does it do apart from make coffee? Built-in toaster and microwave????

I am sure it comes standard with a servant to deliver one's piccolo ristretto while sitting in bed

Originally Posted by yvan

I am sure it comes standard with a servant to deliver one's piccolo ristretto while sitting in bed

That would be no fun - I like making the coffee myself.

Originally Posted by r3nov8or

Thanks. Do you have the name of the product? And is it DIY or sent away as a pro job?

Sorry don't know the name of the paint product. I can ask but I suspect teh cabinet makers dont know either as thee painted panels are sent out to a specialist paint shop.
The aint is super hard and smooth - much more than any other painted surface I've seen.
It is very easy to clean and sticky staining stuff just wipes off with a damp cloth.

Some small progress but the Kitchen renovators are still waiting on the pro paint shop for the last couple of doors.
Meanwhile I have moved in and can now use all appliances and most cupboards/drawers.

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More than 40, 50L plastic tubs of stuff have been removed from the kitchen in the last 6 months
Initially some 4 tubs of stuff went to Op shops.
2 tubs of Baking goods and stuff went to my DIL
2 tubs of usable food went to drug rehab and prisoner release accomodation facilities than my brother manages.
2 tubs of stuff went into the bin.

As I put the stuff back I have been fairly ruthless in what I put back.
Another tub has gone to the Opshop.
Another 2 tubs (mainly out of date food etc) have gone into the bin.
Another tub of Bake ware to a SIL.
The cupboards don't look quite as chocka as before and cannot believe how much stuff was in there in the first place.
I still have to sort through about 10 more tubs - mainly plastic storage items that will mainly go into the bin.