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24th December 2008, 12:37 PM #16
The boat in the swamp looks to have been "built down", which is very unlike the plywood, flat bottomed, slab sided, skiff like thing shown over powered, poorly trimmed and up on plane. It's probable, just the structural floors, stem and stern timbers alone would easily out weigh the blue boat pictured above.
It possible there's enough of the "remains" around the swamp boat to identify her type, but this would require careful excavation.
Judging from the angle iron reinforcements at some of the frame/floor interfaces (probable repairs), it's general stout scantlings, it's likely a logging work boat of some type. These were used in and around logs, flowing down steam and their very nature of existence, require massive scantlings.
Many different types were employed in this trade. Some of these were little more then ship's boats, like jollies and gigs, but these didn't hold up long. Often carpenter built craft assembled on site were used. These didn't follow a general type or plan, just what was known to have a reasonably fair service life considering it's employment.
The swamp boat shown appears to have been purpose built and by some one familiar with the rigors of the life expected of it. This wouldn't be typical of the carpenter built styles, but rather a common type likely local to the area and from a boat builder, understanding the service it was intended to ply.
In the updated thread about this boat, she seems to be much longer then a typical pole boat used within a log flow. Built as massively as she is, even over 30', it's highly improbable that she was dragged across less then navigatable areas. This suggests a deeper water craft, possibly run up a creek or river to avoid a storm.
Michael, I thought you were (jokingly) referring to Clinton Crane's Vingt-et-un, a turn of the gas engine powered launch. It ran 26 knots in 1900 and if you ever get a change to ride in one of these old torpedo launches do so. It's an amazing experience, running through a chop like it wasn't there at speed, no pounding, just a rush of hissing water beside you.
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25th December 2008, 12:57 AM #17New Member
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Par thanks for the comments. I am still looking into this to try to find some more info on it. The area the boat it is in was not know for logging but I agree about it being a purpose built boat. The bayou we found it in averages 5' on a high tide but that is not to say how much it has silted in over the years. Now that I have better/more detailed photos I am going keep after the college.
Thanks to everyone who helped out in this thread and I did not mean to start any controversy. Hope everyone has a merry christmas.
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25th December 2008, 01:19 AM #18Senior Member
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In the updated thread, there are some large bolts showing..
possible a keel in the silt??
That could be the reason it is still where it is??
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26th December 2008, 10:49 AM #19
As a structural element, floor timbers tie the frames together. They typically aren't attached to the planking, but are a keel or deadwood assembly. Large floors with closely spaced frame bays, as shown, indicates a fair amount of weight was hung below them or that excessive "wracking" was expected. A logging boat would have experienced considerable wracking, but so would an appendage on a sailboat.
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5th January 2009, 04:41 AM #20New Member
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I received this email from Texas AM today and wanted to update ya'll. I have sent him with the new photos and measurements and hopefully we will know for sure.
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Dear Johnny:
It is always hard to say from photos, but at first glance, it looks like a bateaux, or a French styled craft (used for a variety of things from fishing to small cargo handling operations) to me, which could be anywhere from the 18th to the early 20th centuries. If you have any measurements, that would be very helpful.
Sorry to be late replying - I was away and then the holidays hit.
Jim Delgado
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