Thread: Okay, Dreamtime

Well , assuming I had the time and ability to get stuck right in to it and get the job done reasonably quickly , I'd like to built Iain Oughtreds Haiku .
But I'd like Iain to design in electric backup power.
Rob J.

comeon Rob!! he did say

DREAMTIME!!!

me? oooh my boat dreams are absofrigginlutely amaflaminzing!!!

present dreams range between the 29ft Murray Peterson Susan schooner, Paul Gartsides 26 Ft Gaff Cutter, Design #116 and somewould say then deteriorates rapidly downwards to GlenLs 24ft Noyo Trawler fishing boat to a 1920s designed 21ft houseboat and during those moments dreaming of a fun quick build boatsi tend to consider the Stevensons Weekender or Pilot boat... but I also consider Mike Wallers trailer cat from time to time along with Iain Ougtreds Grey Seal or BB Crowinshields Dark Harbor

I once held dreams of his Fame design but whats the use of a 40ft schooner if its not an open sea long distance traveller design? phutsing around bunbury waters going nowhere in a 40fter is just plain dumb in my view of course

At one time i actually started Atkin's valgerda made up the rudder, the tiller, drew out the lines, laid down the keel and even got some of the frames made up... then got bit full frontal by another dream boat and so it goes

asidefrom that Ive made the wheel for a boat of 20ft and another for one up to 29ft (20in dia end 26in dia) mooring bitts, belaying pins side light stands just in case and the moulds and strongback for 2 canoes

and yet still I dream

DREAMS aaahhh what would life be without them eh?


note I made no mention of me recurring dream related to a double canoe design by a pom whose name if said would incite certain mates to foam loose their false teefs blow smoke out their bums and otherwise go completely troppo at the mere mention of said designers name... hint initials are JW... gotta duck swerve weave an hide now

462 Diesel Duck "Mandarin" Well He said dreamtime right?

I own the QM2.
So there..
And youse is all guests on it for a world cruise..

Al

All of us are guests? Al, that's not a dream, that's a nightmare!

Hmm, I reckon a modern incarnation of a pearling lugger, old fasioned construction, spotted gum hull, white beech decks plus all modern electronic navigation and communication, but discreetly hidden so that at first glance she looks like the real deal. Powered by two not too modern turbo diesels (not electronic) with keel cooling. Reverse osmosis fresh water maker, plenty of fuel and water tanks, large cool room and freezer.

Mick

Hi,

OK, I'll have a go. Dream buiolds...Pretty much one of what everyone else has said so far All good choices. Although I'd lean towards a diesel duck or a wooden tug/workboat design.

But my recurring dream is Baby Bootlegger. Completely impractical for anything other than going fast, noisy, beautiful lines and (relatively) simple to build. I can get the plans, and once I've built a few smaller boats, and find 35' of space, I'll build it. Oh, and after I've convinced SHMBO of course!

If it has to have sails, I'd love to build a J Class or similar old racing yacht.

Too many boats, too little time and definitely too little money!

I'll start with a kayak and work my way up

Regards,
Darren

Originally Posted by journeyman Mick

Hmm, I reckon a modern incarnation of a pearling lugger, old fasioned construction, spotted gum hull, white beech decks plus all modern electronic navigation and communication, but discreetly hidden so that at first glance she looks like the real deal. Powered by two not too modern turbo diesels (not electronic) with keel cooling. Reverse osmosis fresh water maker, plenty of fuel and water tanks, large cool room and freezer.

Mick

Hi Mick, good choice.
Curious about the two engines, turbo and keel cooling.
One slow rev NA engine is usualy the better choice, also not so sure about keel cooling. What's wrong with fresh water cooling?
This is my engine of choice
http://www.mainlinediesel.com/gardner-engines.htm#

Hi All,

I would love to build anything by ChrisCraft (pre1940's) or garwood. I have the plans for a 1939 ChrisCraft Barrel Back, which hopefully will find its way into my shead. Also the Bassett/Bolger Blackbird featured in WB's Small boat magazine. What a beautiful looking boat. The Kiwi Cruiser by Peter Sewell. I could go on forever.

As far as sail boats go. I love the C.C. Hanley Catboat design in WB #193 called "Kathleen". Luckily its just a dream because I know I would never build it.

Anyhow, time to wake up.

Michael.

Marc,
2 engines = 1 spare if something goes wrong. I've been out at sea and seen how quickly things go wrong when Murphy strikes and am a firm believer in back up systems.
Turbos, well more performance. Also more heat etc, but as long as you're not trying to wring every last horse out of the engine it's possible to have a long lived, reliable, responsive engine.
Keel cooling, well I've worked on heaps of refits and seen all the dramas with blocked strainers, sea chests leaking, corroding and leaking heat exchangers etc etc etc.
Spent every Tuesday for a few years doing maintenance work on a commercial boat and the amount of maintenance dropped dramatically when the refrigeration/freezer/Air cons plus main motor and genset all got keel cooling.

One major job I did, well actually I was just supervisiong the refit but took over after the engineering supervisor freaked out and took off, was to cut a hole in the side of a steel hull boat, build a gantry and remove the old gardiner + box and replace with something a bit more late 20th century. Owners were very pleased as they got a better cruising speed and more range from their tanks, plus better response so better maneuverability.

It's all a dream anyway, I've had plans for a 15'6" ply dinghy for well over a year now and they're waiting for the long list of home renovations + shed extensions + landscaping to get done. It may be some time yet.

Mick

Yes, I suppose keel cooling is simpler, Not sure how it performs on a recreational boat that sits 90 % of the time idle.

As for dual engines, I think the same applies.
Plus, double maintenance double cost, two props, poor fuel economy.
Most commercial boats have one engine.
Back up? A good sail rig?

Turbo charged engines. If they are new they will perforn OK. If they are older, you are asking for problems. Naturally aspirated engines with low (16:1) compression is the way to go.
In defence of Gardner engines, there is not much that can compare, short of Caterpillar and GMC. Nothing beats 180 gr of fuel per HP/Hour.
Of course a shot gardner engine cannot compete with a new whatever.
Gardeners are very expensive and so maintenance is left behind. Plus the original mechanical gardner gearbox is so expensive to repair that not even the gardner people use it anymore.

Originally Posted by Marc

Yes, I suppose keel cooling is simpler, Not sure how it performs on a recreational boat that sits 90 % of the time idle.

Marc,
pretty much like a radiator in a car that sits idle for 90% of the time. And in my dream, I get to live on it and be out at sea (with a bevy of beautiful admirers) at least 90% of the time. Of course I need to call into port to pick up more rum and other rations now and then.

Originally Posted by Marc

Plus, double maintenance double cost, two props, poor fuel economy.

Remember, we're talking about our dreams here right

Originally Posted by Marc

Most commercial boats have one engine.

Depends on size and application plus maneauvarability, I've worked on a few that had three and lots that had two.

Originally Posted by Marc

Back up? A good sail rig?

well yeah, I wanted a two masted lugger, but when the winds hammering you towards a lee shore and one motor has just died (Murphy) it's great to have those extra horses at your finger tips.

Originally Posted by Marc

Turbo charged engines. If they are new they will perforn OK. If they are older, you are asking for problems.

Hey, this is my dream boat, remember? Of course it's got new engines! Of course they're not brand new, because it's near impossible to get anything nowadays that isn't computer controlled, right down to the gearbox. No, I'd have something modernish but lovingly rebuilt to as new specs (by me, coz then I know it's been done right) Did a fitout on a jet drive shuttle boat powered by twin 6cyl Cummins turbodiesels that really got up and went, they'd do me, without the jet drives of course. Actually that gardener wasn't shot, the owners wanted a better turn of speed. They sold the Gardener as a going concern.

Sadly, like I said, it will probably be quite some time before I even get my humble ply dinghy built.

Mick

Mick, I must say that if you want a pearl lugger bad enough you are going to have one.




Stick this picture on the wall, find a place to build it, buy the plans, then some timber, the engine/s (Caterpillar OK?), the rest comes along for the ride.

Still thinking about keel cooling.
Clrearly simpler than a heat exchanger plus pump.

However, unless you are going to have a dry stack, (fire hazard) you need a salt water pump to cool the manifold and exaust pipe sort of defeats the purpose. Plus the dry stack prevents you from having rubber mounts for the engine.
I've seen some heat exchange units built inside the maniflod like one unit, not much can go wrong there...what you think?

If you go to http://apyachts.com.au , they have a magnificent Pearling Lugger on their books !.
Rob J.