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    aahh but Mik mate he be slightly right no? I mean when it comes to cats... and wharrams in particular (although no stats are available to prove or disprove my coming comments)... they definantly have a high percentage of "not returning"...

    why? CAUSE THEYRE OUT THERE SAILIN!!!!

    could go on to say they yarda yarda yarda long winded over the top pro cat style yak... but I think sufficed to say that many are the cats that just go... and keep on going... be it the nature of the movement of the cat compared to the movement of a mono or be it the amount of space and gear one can take when one journeys forth from shore but seems (albeit without any comparable data to support the statement) that cats seem more likely to be out there sailin somewhere than many a mono who more often than not seems to sit inshore or at the mooring that out sailin places... but I wouldnt say something totally and utterly unsupportable like that would I?!

    I think for me the only single thing to have so far stopped me building a cat over a mono is the damned inconsiderate need to build two ruddy hulls to achieve one boat!! :mad: (and hence why I gave up even looking at Tris! although the old Searunner design still takes me some serious avoiding techniques to move past )

    Actually Im still rather undecided which style or genre if one likes I want to build... traditional would be the ducks knuts but would I have either the patience or the determination to stick with it for the years it would take to complete... epoxy and fibreglass? Im not too keen on for several reasons one bein the friggin cost of the amount of goop Id need to buy along with ply and such... Im not even keen on the stuff for a small build!! If I was then I would definantly have grabbed a set of John Welsfords Swiftsure design and done that over a long weekend or two... or three or more!! anyway a more simpler design if you will than those I keep reverting to... Im also one who LOVES and MUST HAVE... ROOM!... tiny small spaces drive me totally troppo so as I say I keep reverting to larger sized boats which then increases diametrically the costs of materials etc along with time to build etc

    I do think Im sorta moving along the same road design sorta appeals in my quieter less manic moods at others the whole shamozzle of building appeals... then the question of time other commitments etc

    AND... to take this damned thread back where it started... THAT is why Im lookin for a project boat!!
    Believe me there IS life beyond marriage!!! Relax breathe and smile learn to laugh again from the heart so it reaches the eyes!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Dingo
    AND... to take this damned thread back where it started... THAT is why Im lookin for a project boat!!
    Why don't you build a three deck ship of the line? Hell, it'll take that much effort to get approval for all those guns that you won't have to start casting them till some time next century

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddles
    Why don't you build a three deck ship of the line? Hell, it'll take that much effort to get approval for all those guns that you won't have to start casting them till some time next century

    Richard
    Now there's a project to keep him amused for a few weekends ...if your back yard is big enough I have plans for the First Fleet ships...build them all, and then we can call you Commodore Dingo

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModelShipwright
    Now there's a project to keep him amused for a few weekends ...if your back yard is big enough I have plans for the First Fleet ships...build them all, and then we can call you Commodore Dingo
    mmmmmm first fleet eh? mmmm aye but I can feel an urge comin on me boyos! twould a wee 2 acres be big enough a back yard me ol comrade of the high seas?

    But bein as Id be abuildin er on me ownself just the one would be enough aye one be good there bucko

    oooh blast an damn ye eyes yer scurvey dog! :mad: ye bein a noodle shipwright an all aye reckon ye be pullin me barnicle ... taint no good for capn nor crew havin such a wee ship of the first fleet to sail upon! why one foot on the shore an one on the poop deck would see her sunk! :eek:

    By all the mermaids in the baltic mateys I just thought of somethin!! Ifn we can just get started afore lanfall mateys I reckon them scurvy dogs Admiral daddily daddles and Capn Mik the... ahem (not in polite company mateys! :eek: ) will come over an try to shanghai the whole lot of us on some weird adventure...

    But aye matey it do have some fine connotations indeed it do... however!!!... if this doesnt take on

    BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!!!

    projeck boat!!!
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    well boatmik you should never really pay too much attention to my posts as i like to stir a bit,but regarding the cats having a habit of not returning,i was merely saying what i had heard from a well respected local mariner and it may have a basis but as to stats i as you said i would not have a clue,speedwise they are a beautiful thing,but if rolled they are a non returning thing. as with most things it is horses for courses and i for one would not like to get caught in one with a westerly coming through down this way .so did you get the pics wild puppy??
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    Quote Originally Posted by bitofascallywag
    regarding the cats having a habit of not returning,i was merely saying what i had heard from a well respected local mariner and it may have a basis but as to stats i as you said i would not have a clue,speedwise they are a beautiful thing,but if rolled they are a non returning thing. as with most things it is horses for courses and i for one would not like to get caught in one with a westerly coming through down this way .so did you get the pics wild puppy??
    Sorry scallywag, you and your respected mate are living in the 60's.
    There's a bloke called Ian Johnson living down your way more or less, and a lady called Cathy Hawkins. I suggest you get your respected boofhead over to their place for a yarn one day soon. They'll give you the goss on what it's like to circumnavigate in those westerlies on more than one hull.

    I don't know where to contact them, but this may be a clue: http://www.woodenboatcentre.com/staff.htm

    On the rare occasion that cruising multihulls do capsize (and I stress rare) their hulls provide a perfect survival capsule (read life-raft). The most famous of course the Rose Noelle drifting for 119 days with healthy crew. Try that in your average mono with no mast and a bloody big hole in the side where it left!

    Many, many more lives have been lost in cruising monohulls, but they don't photograph well after they've gone down you see, in fact they are never found.

    So how about getting some facts just a little bit straighter before perpetrating the myth??

    This is not to say that you can't have fun in one hull, you can have lots of it!! Just don't deny others theirs!

    cheers.

    P (qualified to comment by a few ten-thousand sea miles on multihulls of all descriptions)


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    fair enogh midge you have bit me,i shall no longer pass heresay on these forums,one last shot afore i go is that these folklores or whatever they maybe include ferro hulls,now i am not against them by any means but you ask any cray fisherman down this way and they hate them.........home builders maybe?
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    Ferro, now there's a material I hadn't heard for a while... thought they'd all sunk!

    It was actually quite a good material done well but terribly labour intensive to get right. Done well means plastered in one continuous session, no dry joints and with a very carefully controlled mix as well as controlled curing to prevent shrinking as the plaster dries out. If all that was acheived, then there were problems with mechanical fixings, fixing stuff to the hull generally, and keeping the moisture out of the layup.

    Good ones are good, or OK, anything else is not OK. The good thing about lots of Ferro boats is that they were so labour intensive, a lot of them never got finished, and a lot of others developed cracks and stuff before they were launched. I've seen more than one completely fibreglass sheathed before launch day!

    I saw a couple of trawlers started in ferro, but it's a pretty unlikely material. Steel is good!

    If you ever intend to buy one, and it appears to be a goodie, just remember what "concrete cancer" in buildings looks like, and hope that there's no way the moisture can penetrate to the steel.

    cheers

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    so do tell what mad man would ever construct a trawler with ferro?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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    No one I know!! :eek: :eek:

    There are lots and lots of small fishing boats and barges in China built that way though, and I think quite suited to that purpose.

    Flat bottomed workboats for lakes and rivers, about 2" thick layup, and when the boats die, they die slowly and don't put anyone's life at risk.


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    so whats your history midge? me myself and i are a bit of a happy go lucky mug,like the water,quite spots in solitude,taking chances if the time is right,drink a wee tad etc etc so your go but at a guess you are in a city somewhere?
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    Midge is as old as mathusala as horribly boat knowledgable as Noah in his youth as cranky as a blocked anul passage on a 100 year old elephant and lives no where near a city... oh hes also a bloody legend in his jocks!

    Me? Im a friggin legend at anytime in anything just ask me I'll tell yer! no worries!

    Born and bred West Aussie lived here all my life several journeys out to the eastern states in my wild youth but always come back here to Best Aussie... love the sea the bush life and love... will do anything for a smile love tellin yarns and gettin a rise from serious assholes from time to time enjoy takin the phiss outta poor sods afflicted with uptheirownassitis

    Am also a confirmed sufferer of musthaveboatitis... no cure but an enjoyable malady
    Believe me there IS life beyond marriage!!! Relax breathe and smile learn to laugh again from the heart so it reaches the eyes!!


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    Default To tie this thread up finally

    Well Mik you will be glad to hear I contacted Flori and he put me onto a boat here named Roma in need of restoring but with a great history but the owner wants $7500
    Then I contacted David Payne and spotted his paketi design which Im buying

    And as they say the rest she is history!

    Cheers for all the imput fellas!
    Believe me there IS life beyond marriage!!! Relax breathe and smile learn to laugh again from the heart so it reaches the eyes!!


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