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21st May 2012, 10:32 PM #1GOLD MEMBER
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Making a lazy susan turntable - lessons learnt
Hello, I have been planning a lazy susan circular top with the help of the following threads I started, and learnt lots from:
1. How to edge glue ?
2. Dowels v Biscuits for edge jointing
3. Routing a circular table edge ogee profile
4. Damage resistant food safe finish needed
5. Best dowelling drill bit
6. Damage resistant food safe finish needed
Many thanks to all the contributors who provided such valuable insights. I have never done edge gluing before, nor used biscuits, so needed a lot of information.
Of course I made mistakes, some of them quite devastating at the time, requiring a restart of the days work.
Firstly, despite a lot of previous success with pine, I could not drill the dowels in correct alignment, probably because of the hard kwila timber and the poor quality drill bits. I am getting a CMT and a Colt 5 Star brad point drills to have a go, I am told there is no comparison with the cheap Chinese junk I have been using.
One of the 4 board joints is by dowels, the rest by biscuits after I gave that away. I am told the biscuits are for alignment, but personally I found them a waste of time for edge joining. While dry they are not a tight fit, by design, and by the time the glue up of 4 boards is done, using cauls, one has to wonder why the biscuits were used. The cauls did the alignment, not the biscuits.
Learnt a good lesson about applying glue. Spread it on about 4 mm wide bead, then used a tooth brush to spread the glue, then rubbed the boards together, feeling them get tighter and nicely sealed - no excess glue at this stage - perfect.. Now for the silly part - I pulled this joint apart, fitted more glue in the biscuit slot, and fitted the glue - result - excess glue oozing from the edge joins.
Took the precaution of putting masking tape on the rails of the clamps, and put ducting tape on the adjoining faces of the 70 x 35 mm cauls I made up. The cauls are framing timber with one face machined exactly flat with my jointer.
Overtightended the clamps causing a bow in the board, was able to put a credit card between the board and the caul, so eased off the tension, everything went back into alignment, except for the centre join - ended up clamping either side of the join with a block of pine at each end of the join.
The glue along each join was a series of small beads, which after 20 minutes were able to be scraped off easily with an obsolete credit card. Did the same underneath the board, but there w as lot more excess glue there.
Left it for nearly 24 hours, undid the clamps - BIG DISAPPOINTMENT - the board was not flat, it rocked on the table saw top Turned it over , found a couple of big globs of glue I had missed, took them off easily with a chisel, and VOILA ! the board sat flat on the table saw top
To make a circular board, I used a bit of flat timber with two holes at 350mm apart - one for the awl and one for the pencil. Tipped the board over and with the awl at the centre of the proposed circle, drew the circle to give a perfect 700mm diameter circle.
Did a rough cut with the jigsaw, no problems there, then used the router to trim it to exactly 700mm. BIG problems there. Straight bit chewed a 15mm piece off the outer edge, and then subsequently chewed another piece a bit further along the circumference of the round table. Start again with the jigsaw on a 670mm diameter board.
Anyway, all this didn't happen unless there are photos, eh, and you will find them all here Thanks for persevering with this long winded narrative, hope you enjoy the lessons I learnt, and thanks for all your help and support.regards,
Dengy
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21st May 2012, 11:06 PM #2
Very impressive.
One way to overcome the tear out problems is not to cut it out with the jig saw but to plunge cut it with the router in about 5mm increments. Because the router is surrounded and cutting on both sides you can cut in either direction and therefore change the direction of cut so that you don't lift the grain. That is you cut the two quarters with the grain going the wrong way going backwards first then go forwards all the way round for that cut then increase your depth and repeat.
I hope that makes sense it would be easier to show than explain.
RegardsHugh
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21st May 2012, 11:11 PM #3GOLD MEMBER
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Thanks Hugh, I understand what you mean. I tried going backwards in spots where I might tear out the grain, but the router just gripped and flew out of my hands , flying around the circular board in the wrong direction
wouldn't happen if there was timber surrounding the bit - didn't think of your methodregards,
Dengy
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21st May 2012, 11:18 PM #4Senior Member
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Hi JillB ,
Great job on your Lazy susan . I do lazy susan all the time but not that big .
Biggest I have ever made is 500 mm dia .
Cheers Graham
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22nd May 2012, 08:27 AM #5GOLD MEMBER
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Thanks Graham, my daughter has a large square table in her outdoor patio setting, and this is the size she wanted. We unsuccessfully tried to talk her out such a large one.
What timber do you make your lazy susan tops out of, Graham, and how do you finish them? Do you do the same process that I did, or is there an easier way?regards,
Dengy
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22nd May 2012, 11:03 AM #6
Excellent job Jill.
I was going to suggest saving you a step in the circular cutting process by using the router and straight bit (6mm or 8mm is more robust). However Hugh beat me to it. If the router slows at all reduce the depth of cut and do more of them.
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22nd May 2012, 12:37 PM #7
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22nd May 2012, 06:45 PM #8
Well done.
anne-maria.
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22nd May 2012, 07:31 PM #9
well done Jill
regards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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22nd May 2012, 10:56 PM #10Senior Member
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Hi JillB ,
I have made some lazy susans from red cedar and pine . I don't do many pine ones because after I have plane the board flat go back in a couple of today to put the first cover of lacquer I always find its not flat . The cedar ones I don't have any trouble with . The other lazy susans are made out of 16 mm MDF . I make these for a woman that paints them up for the markets . The sizes I make are 500 mm , 400 mm and 350 mm . The red cedar lazy susans I use red cedar stain with clear lacquer I'm not that good at staining . When I make my lazy susans I cut them out with a jigsaw as close to the line as I can then I used the disc sander to round it off then I run the router around to put the edge on that woman wants . I don't know if my way is easier I haven't tried your way yet . I get my lazy susan ball bearings from carbatec I get 20 at a time .
Your daughter wanted to tested your woodwork skills and I think you have a good job .
Cheers Graham
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22nd May 2012, 11:00 PM #11GOLD MEMBER
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thanks Graham, much appreciated
regards,
Dengy
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26th May 2012, 04:20 PM #12
Nice
Very nice Jill, just reward for your perseverance.
Regards Mike
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