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    Q1: All those MS updates, is it necessary to keep them all or is each one cumulative with all the previous updates built into them?

    Q2: How do I stop the auto update keep saying new updates available even 5 minutes previously I have installed the exact same update?
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    G'day Ray,

    I can only talk generally about this, as I'm not an IT operations person...

    Quote Originally Posted by rwbuild View Post
    Q1: All those MS updates, is it necessary to keep them all or is each one cumulative with all the previous updates built into them?
    Generally they are separate fixes. Sometimes you get updates with names like "Cumulative update for blah blah blah", which includes earlier updates rolled up into it. Most of the updates should have a numeric ID with them, like KBnnnnnnn. If the numbers are different then they fix different things. Exactly where the KB numbers are displayed depends on your Windows version I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by rwbuild View Post
    Q2: How do I stop the auto update keep saying new updates available even 5 minutes previously I have installed the exact same update?
    This is trickier to answer generally. Are they the exact same updates with identical KB numbers? If that is happening, then there is something not quite right with the PC, and it should be looked at. If the KB numbers are different you may be in a case where you have later updates depending on earlier ones: and each time you update it finds new work to do.

    I'm not sure I've helped that much. Oh, and KB = "Knowledge Base".

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    The last lot of MS updates seems to have caused my little netbook some heartburn, the desktop seems ok. My netbook wifi has gone dodgy and I'm getting an occasional BSOD.

    I think on an older version of Windows I had an occasional fix that broke halfway through update, then continued to retry every day with the same effect. I seem to remember downloading a tool from the MS site that cleaned up partially installed patches and started again.

    On Win10 I haven't had to do that, but early after the Win10 download I found updates worked more smoothly if you did a cleanup every so often. I suggest you download and run CCleaner to empty out you trash and cleanout your temporary file directories as a first step. Then shutdown and restart your pc a couple of times. Then rather than waiting for auto update to run, just go into the settings page for update and start off the update process manually. That might fix a broken update.
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    The updates are provided for a reason.. generally itís to fix problems with their software that put your data at risk


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    Hello

    What version of windows you have?

    1.Updates can be turned off (on most versions of windows).
    2.If it happens very often, it is possible you computer is infected.
    Make sure you have a good antivirus program. Many "free" AV programs are misleading and force you to install/subscribe unwanted features. Total AV is a prime example.
    I've been using F-prot for years. $29US/year with license for 5 computers (you can legally share it with friends and keep the cost down to $6 per PC/year).
    3.I'd also scan computer for malware. I suggest adwcleaner and or malwarebytes (both have good working free editions)
    https://adwcleaner.en.uptodown.com/windows
    https://www.malwarebytes.com/mwb-download/
    Theres' is also excellent malware protection program called Hitman pro, but is isn't free.



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    Answers:
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    I use CC cleaner 2 times a week
    AVG free, been using it for 20 years, never had a problem
    Yes, identical KB numbers 80% of the time
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    To turn off updates in win7 all you need to do is do to go to Control_panel->all_control_panel_items->administrative_tools->services
    In "services" find "windows update". Disable it and stop if it is running.
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    Thanks for that, I am familiar with that but there are some important ones that need to be updated to avoid problems, the issue is it keeps prompting for the identical update over and over...ggggrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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    Win7?

    From menu, select: Control Panel/System & Security/Windows Update. (There are other ways to open it, but this should be universal)

    In Windows Update enter Change Settings and for Important Updates select "Download updates but let me choose whether to install them."

    Exit back to the first Win Update page and look at the RH pane. Mine currently displays two links, saying "9 Important updates are available. 16 optional updates are available."

    Click on one of those links and it should display a list of all available updates... complete with tick boxes and, usually, KB#### IDs.

    Obviously, untick the listing for the one that you don't want installed in this round of updates. Then right click on it and select "Hide Update." It now should not be selected for future update sessions either!

    Caveat: This is how I skip updates I don't want. But I believe there was an update which removed this approach so that all 'Hide' does is remove it from youir sight, not the system list. I don't know for sure... as I was forewarned and didn't download that particular patch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzie View Post
    I suggest you download and run CCleaner to empty out you trash and clean out your temporary file directories as a first step. Then shutdown and restart your pc a couple of times.
    Is that just the free version or do you use one of the paid versions?

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    You guys a missing the point. There is no point having antivirus software if your not patching your computer regularly. The patching stops malware getting a hold of your computer. Antivirus software is only one part of the picture


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    I just use the free version of ccleaner. Cleaning out the system temporary files directories is the most useful thing. I won't comment further on peoples decisions to stay on 7 or 8 when the 10 upgrade was available free.
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    The 'Important' updates are usually for security and/or plain old OS bug fix reasons. They should be kept up to date unless you have good reason not to install one.

    The 'Optional' updates tend to be for cosmetic reasons or minor improvements to SW that's not important to the overall system. eg. updating an included game. It's generally safe to ignore these.

    It helps greatly if you're computer literate and can interpret the jargon/description for each KB article, so you can pick and choose which updates to allow on an informed basis... but let's face it: most of us have better things to do with our spare time than wade through tech waffle.

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    Dear Ray,
    i've used computers of all types intensively for almost 35 years. I've spent a lot of time on both Microsoft PCs and Apple computers. I recently needed a new laptop and bought one with Windows 10 installed. Windows 10 is the biggest disaster piece of operating system software ever produced. It is clunky, slow, hard to use and you get all the updates largely because of the security 'holes' in the operating system. A year or so later I bought an Apple iPad with o/s 11 installed. The difference is gobsmacking. Apple software works very quickly, is intuitive and is a pleasure to use. Windows 10 just makes you want to put your PC through a planer thicknesser. A simple example: launch a Windows 10 PC and it'll be a minimum of 30 seconds before you're able to do any work. Start an Apple and it is ready instantly. This is all to do with the way Microsoft had to configure their Windows operating system when they realised many years ago they needed to copy the Apple interface. It still sits on top of the old MS-DOS operating system and has to work its way through that before there is anything 'useable' on the screen. It's like wanting to speak in English but you have to go through Swahili and Dutch first.
    I am not an 'Apple evangelist' and have no particular brief for Apple products. They aren't perfect but they are simply light years better than Microsoft's disgraceful software and will save you hours of frustration trying to deal with updates and a confusing and slow interface. I could go on for hours about Windows 10 shortcomings but I'll spare you the rant.

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