Thread: Australian Politics.

Originally Posted by Sebastiaan56

One of the less debated issues is the proposed internet filter and its ugly stepchild traffic monitoring. Thats right folks the mothers in Canberra want to know exactly what you think and where you go, see Australian Government to Store All Online Communications | Greyhat-Security.com.

Anyhow Im off to watch the cooking show,...... debate? no such thing here.....

I think we are all going to have to accept something like that. I am thinking if Facebook had a banner suggesting we all did something at the same time (economical perhaps) to create a catastrophe, a stop measure is required.

Originally Posted by Sebastiaan56

Anyhow Im off to watch the cooking show,...... debate? no such thing here.....

Well, if I wanted to watch a lawyer coming out ahead .........

Originally Posted by jow104

I think we are all going to have to accept something like that. I am thinking if Facebook had a banner suggesting we all did something at the same time (economical perhaps) to create a catastrophe, a stop measure is required.

Well I resent being followed around by some ideologically driven bureaucrat (or worse a programmed filter) in case I stumble on some information they think Im not supposed to see. Big Brother does NOT know best. My privacy is mine.

If I want to look up Radical Islam, Communism, CFD Trading or Women's Football League why should someone tell me I cant read that. I have no desire to watch the stuff they are worried about but I am REALLY worried that that are not going to tell me what it is they are worried about. Speak to any one who survived the communist era in Eastern Europe or who lives with totalitarianism in Egypt to understand the political control being proposed.

And yes a mass action is a good idea... thx

Originally Posted by jow104

I think we are all going to have to accept something like that. I am thinking if Facebook had a banner suggesting we all did something at the same time (economical perhaps) to create a catastrophe, a stop measure is required.

No we do not have to accept anything like this.
It is like accepting so called neighbourhood CCTV that is supposed to catch people doing criminal activity but ends up with the local do nothing reporting people whose dog has left a smelly parcel on the foot path and forgetting to report that house breaking.


What I find the most disturbing is here in Australia with any labor government that preaches social justice etc it is these same governments that covertly attempt to introduce all forms of population tagging and surveillance of the most draconian type. Start with the Australia Card and the e-Health system the are trying to install. The superficial intent sounds good but most are little more than tracking process on what you joe public is doing. It is the underlying intent that is the most disgusting and big brotherish. What is worse seems most media just gloss of this as it is either too difficult or the media is not up to do real reporting anymore..

Originally Posted by Sebastiaan56

One of the less debated issues is the proposed internet filter and its ugly stepchild traffic monitoring. Thats right folks the mothers in Canberra want to know exactly what you think and where you go, see Australian Government to Store All Online Communications | Greyhat-Security.com.

The article to reference is a bit light on in relation to this and really says nothing. This has been running for a while but the main media has said little and surprisingly it has not popped its ugly head up during this farcical election period.
Try these:
Privacy betrayal has blown Labor's chances - Full Duplex - Blogs
Inside Australia's data retention proposal - Communications - News
http://www.zdnet.com.au/greens-slam-...-339304753.htm

the government has so far not presented a good reason to implement these measures other than a government intent of policing what you say and do. Just a basic extension of the internet filter approach, we the government knows best.

Anyhow Im off to watch the cooking show,...... debate? no such thing here.....

Two forms of reality TV, not too sure which is worse. I managed to miss both deliberately.

It is funny, we the so called free world fought 2 wars to maintain so called freedom, and are at present involved for good or bad reason in Afghanistan for so called freedom there, but we let governments take that freedom from us in more subtle ways and more significantly that what these wars were about. We criticise places like China for their lack of freedom but implement systems that are not much different.
Go figure.

Labour always claim they have changed, but every time they get into office they do the same thing. Tax, spend, regulate. They have an undelying socialist bent and socialism has historically always gone hand in hand with control. It may not be totalitarianism, yet, but given enough time...

I won't even dignify the filter with a comment.

Greg Ward:

No system is perfect. I've seen volunteer councils that worked well, and we here in Brisbane and Logan are suffering under "professionally managed" councils that build empires of beaurocrats and nail residents for every penny they can while delivering less and less.

As I said before in a democracy you get the government you deserve. Disengaged and ignorant electorate, bad outcome.

Women aren't merely voting on gender. It is suggested that they are responding to emotive language. I didn't watch the debate but apparently every time she said "sustainability" the pink thingy went up. Abbott makes statements and states facts and figures. That appeals to men. I make no judgement which approach is better, just as I don't judge my own proof based belief system better than a faith based system.

Anyway none of this matters. Elections are won and lost in the last week. I think it's going to be fairly tight.

Originally Posted by damian

Anyway none of this matters. Elections are won and lost in the last week. I think it's going to be fairly tight.

Too true.....

Te latest newspoll is interesting.
Worth looking at:
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2...oll-260710.pdf

Originally Posted by damian

Labour always claim they have changed, but every time they get into office they do the same thing. Tax, spend, regulate. They have an undelying socialist bent and socialism has historically always gone hand in hand with control. It may not be totalitarianism, yet, but given enough time...

I won't even dignify the filter with a comment.

Yes this unfortunately seems to be the situation. But the people are so gullible.

Anyway none of this matters. Elections are won and lost in the last week. I think it's going to be fairly tight.

True..
Heck 4 more weeks of all this!!!

The thing that jumps out at me in the poll is the hardening of the coalition vote. Despite Abbott's performance on a personal level I think people with a conservative leaning are pretty annoyed with the last 3 years and have gone harder to the coalition. I've been saying that for a month and that pollindicates I'm right. The thing is that won't win the election.

If the election truely is to be won and lost in Qld and WA I think Labour are in more trouble than the polls indicate. Queenslanders are ready to lynch Anna Bligh, and I don't buy the state/federal disassociation. There is some bleed through. I can't comment on WA but the media have made some noises about dissatisfaction there.

I am sure there must be people who see the campains as entertainment. My election game is seeing how well I can avoid the thing.

Probably more pertinent this time as I've alreeady decided who I'll vote for.

Now I'm confused. From the BoS website:

June 24, 2010

Embargo: 11.30 am (AEDT)

78/2010

Australia's high population growth starts to slow: ABS

Preliminary estimates of Australia's annual population growth rate slowed to 2.0% over 2009, according to figures released today by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. The preliminary annual growth rate peaked at 2.2% in the year ended 31 December 2008.

Australia's population reached 22.2 million by the end of 2009, growing by 432,600 people over the year. Net overseas migration accounted for 64% of this growth, with the remaining 36% due to natural increase (births minus deaths).

Based on preliminary figures, there were 295,700 births and 140,800 deaths registered during 2009, both down slightly on 2008 figures.

Preliminary net overseas migration recorded for 2009 was 277,700 people, down from 301,200 people in 2008. Preliminary net overseas migration for 2009 was the difference between 508,000 arrivals and 230,300 departures.

Western Australia's population continued to record the fastest annual growth rate of all states and territories, growing 2.7% during 2009, followed by Queensland (2.4%), the Northern Territory (2.2%), Victoria (2.1%), the Australian Capital Territory (1.8%), New South Wales (1.6%), South Australia (1.3%) and Tasmania (0.9%).

	Population at end Dec qtr 2009	Change over previous year	Change over previous year
PRELIMINARY DATA	'000	'000	%
New South Wales	7 191.5	115.8	1.6
Victoria	5 496.4	114.6	2.1
Queensland	4 473.0	106.6	2.4
South Australia	1 633.9	21.2	1.3
Western Australia	2 270.3	58.7	2.7
Tasmania	505.4	4.4	0.9
Northern Territory	227.7	4.9	2.2
Australian Capital Territory	354.9	6.4	1.8
Australia(a)	22 155.4	432.6	2.0

(a) Includes Other Territories.

More details are available in Australian Demographic Statistics, December quarter 2009 (cat. no. 3101.0).

For population estimates at the regional level please see Regional Population Growth, Australia, 2008-09 (cat. no. 3218.0) and Population by Age and Sex, Regions of Australia, 2008 (cat. no. 3235.0).

Media note:
Please ensure that you attribute the Australian Bureau of Statistics (or the ABS) as the source when reporting on ABS data.


Yet the Immigration dept clearly states 158k.

Australian Immigration Fact Sheet 2. Key Facts in Immigration

I'd really like to know why these figures are so disparit. I've emailed immigration asking to clarify. I'll keep you posted.

I don't want to be an apologist for the two groups but the BOS do say that the figures are preliminary estimates. It is also possible that different time periods are being used - immigration figures quote 2008/9 whereas BOS quote year ending 31st December 2009.
That aside the figures do seem greatly at odds.
Jim

The interesting thing will be the trend line. I know its dangerous to predict on spot data but a lot of the world is seeing the baby boomers retire and start to die off. They are the great lump in the demographic and will leave their children and grandchildren the bills to pay. I think negative growth (there you go, Ive learned the jargon!) is inevitable.

Originally Posted by Sebastiaan56

The interesting thing will be the trend line. I know its dangerous to predict on spot data but a lot of the world is seeing the baby boomers retire and start to die off. They are the great lump in the demographic and will leave their children and grandchildren the bills to pay. I think negative growth (there you go, Ive learned the jargon!) is inevitable.

And a bigger push for 'voluntary' euthanasia.