Thread: The bali 9 - is a death sentence appropriate?

Originally Posted by Rusty

Perhaps I'm misinformed, but I thought Bryant was a nutcase, not evil. Hating him for killing is like hating a plane for crashing. Rusty.

Not guilty by reason of insanity doesn't wash with me. It's obvious ! You have to be nuts to do it so how can that be a defence. Insane or not, mistreated as a child or not, and any other excuse - I'm not interested. String the mongrel up.

Give them a long sentence and in 25 years time so goody two shoes goose will be leading a movement to have him released. He'd go before a parole board of acedemic, know-it-all fruit cakes and highly qualified professors who have no concept of the real world.

I've had dealings with the family of one of Bryant's victims and have seen first hand what it does. Nope , absolutely no sympathy from me.

Don't say punishment isn't a deterent - try littering in Singapore and see how you go. Regardless of that though, I don't care about the deterent either - he wouldn't be able to do it again if he was gone.

Originally Posted by DanP

alcohol (a depressant, the biggest killer of 18 - 25 year olds.) .

Do you see a lot of alcohol poisoning and overdose? While we're on this topic, lets limit engine capacity for that age group to 1000cc and 4 wheels

Originally Posted by Gingermick

Do you see a lot of alcohol poisining and overdose? While we're on this topic, lets limit engine capacity for that age group to 1000cc and 4 wheels

That would be one quick quad bike dont you think?

Keep this one on topic please.

Originally Posted by

Keep this one on topic please.

So I cant reply then??

Al

Originally Posted by Gumby

Don't say punishment isn't a deterent -.

Deterrents don't work with drugs. Doesn't mater what the penalty, as long as there is demand there will be supply.

Killing people, beating them, locking them up for 100 years, shooting their parents for having them or any other draconian measures will not stop drugs coming into this country. No matter how much money we spend on policing and border patrols, drugs will continue to come into the country. There is simply way too much money in it. The people who make the money are rarely the ones who get caught. It is almost always the desperate, the unfortunate or the plain stupid ones who are put into the position of highest risk. Even if the “Mr Big”s get caught there are another 3 lining up behind them to take their place.

If we actually start to intercept 90% of the illicit drugs that are destined for this country, the people who make the money will simply increase there shipments into Australia. Heroin, cocaine, marijuana etc. simply grows on trees (well plants anyway). It costs so little to produce they can afford to do this with very little impact on supply.

We need to control the importation, manufacture and distribution of all the currently illicit drugs. Take the money out of the drug trade and you will have no drug trade.

People will still take drugs no matter if they are legal or illegal. It doesn’t matter if people know that the drug is bad for them they will still become users of it. Have a look at tobacco.

Its the financial cost of drugs that damage society so much.
We need to get people off drugs for good through their own cognition rather than fear of punishment.

Originally Posted by bitingmidge

How arrogent are we becoming as a nation when we think OUR LAWS are better than THEIRS??? Isn't that the sort of behaviour that we gently chide our Seppo friends for......if 160 million people in Indonesia can live with the consequences of dealing in drugs, then that's all the idiots who do have to know.

Fully agree with that, and it is not only Indonesia it is also other Asian countries that have the same laws. They are also well publicised.

The other thing I have heard a lot on the radio is that their system of justice is 3rd rate unlike ours because they are not presumed innocent until proven guilty. Their system of justice being based on the Code Napoleon was introduced by the Dutch and is the same as in use in most European countries.

Under this system the Bali 9, having been arrested and charged by the police, are automatically, in the eyes of their law, guilty unless they can prove their innocence. The court case is there to give them the opportunity to prove their innocence. Which I don't think they can.

In view of the evidence against them I the death penalty in this particular case is the most appropriate.


Peter.

i myself think the death penalty is too barbaric
because i cannot believe anyone whether told to by their government or not has a right to take another persons life
but they would have known the risk & chose to take it & now have to suffer the consequences of their actions which is a probable death sentence.

i think a more appropriate punishment would be a long prison term in the country the crime was committed in not a prisoner exchange program.

the ones i feel sorry for are their families

I'm glad the stuff was stoped there and didn,t get far enough to be pushed onto my kids.

Of cause the feds knew what they were doing. They are probably getting sick of spending hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars of taxpayers money finding drug runners. Then that again getting them convicted in court then starting over in a few years time when they get out of jail.

Another isue is if they are aware of someone braking the law in another country it is their duty to inform the authorities in that country. Just as we would expect police in another country to inform our police if they had any information about what was happing here.

I dont have a strong feeling about what should hapen to them, so long as they are not aloud to smuggle any more drugs. Its getting expencive to keep people in jail over here about $50 000 per year.

[QUOTE=Gumby]Disagree. Surely you don't think ba$tard$ like Martin Bryant & Juian Knight shouldn't be swinging on the end of a rope?QUOTE]

And if you execute just 1 innocent person?
The rest of your life in jail is a much bigger punishment imo

Bryant and Knight are NOT innocent people

Thats not the point