Thread: Cheap tobacco, free tobacco

Congratulations on giving up the weed. Give your left overs the big flush, you wouldn't wan to encourage others to continue smoking would you?

can the 'homegrown be LEGALLY posyed through the aussie mail ?Tonto

Originally Posted by ernknot

Congratulations on giving up the weed. Give your left overs the big flush, you wouldn't wan to encourage others to continue smoking would you?

Point taken Ernot, thankyou for the congrats I just hope they are still deserved in, say, twelve months time.
As for encouraging others, well lets get controversial for a moment, lets get a good solid debate going, I think smokers are capable of working things out for themselves. As a smoker I tolerated righteous 'NONS' whose preachings were quite unecessary. All smokers except the completely stupid are fully aware of the harmful effects of the addiction.

In terms of healthy practices it seems to me there is a heavy component of political correctness in the anti smoking movement. As an old timer blessed with good health I cant help noticing the majority of my non smoking aged buddies, mostly junior to me, have failing limbs and bad backs generally attributed to the pursuit of healthy sports. There is also a goodly assortment of other ailments all lined up to become tomorrow's 'Number One killers'. Having reached that time in life where funerals have taken over from weddings and christenings only two of my friends died of smoke related illnesses and they were both in their eighties.

As for the younger generations, not only are they wrecking their bodies playing healthy sports but they are eating rubbish, drinking in excess and poluting their bodies and minds with an assortment of drugs.

But that's all right isn't it.

As a former smoker, having smoked for over 30 years, I don't usually preach about the extreme harmfull effects of smoking.

However since you asked for opinions I think you are spouting complete and utter rubbish.

To state that "All smokers except the completely stupid " is an oxymoron because IMO all smokers are stupid for smoking. I know I was and I am glad I finally saw the light.

As for saying that the younger generations are they wrecking their bodies playing healthy sports , words fail me.


Peter.

Oldblock.
My father quit smoking his pipe when he left the airforce at the end of WW2 but kept it and a full tobacco pouch in his desk for 8 years until as a youngster, I found it and walked around the house with it (unlit) in my mouth for a few hours, posing. I was as sick as a dog, perhaps that's why I never took up the weed. The baccy was then given to my grandfather who had smoked roll-ups all his life, who declared it was the best batch he'd ever had.
So give the pipe to your grandkids (if you have 'em) and vaccinate them.
Graeme

Originally Posted by Sturdee

.......As for saying that the younger generations are they wrecking their bodies playing healthy sports , words fail me.


Peter.

I rest my case

Originally Posted by graemet

Oldblock.
....... So give the pipe to your grandkids (if you have 'em) and vaccinate them.
Graeme

Too late, most of them smoke and have already been in hospital to have sports injuries fixed.

I watched an ex-girlfriend's grandfather (early 70's) slowly dying from emphysema. For the last few weeks he was permanently attached to an oxygen machine. The look in his eyes was enough to put me off. He was scared.

Then there's my uncle (mid 50's) who no longer has a palate since it was removed after they found cancer in it. I bet he wishes now he'd never smoked when he's trying to eat his dinner and when he drinks his beer the bubbles really do go up his nose.

You're right about the political correctness aspect but it's getting past the point where smokers can go on about their 'right' to smoke when it has been established beyond any doubt that it increases your chances of cancer and heart disease and that it also contributes to the likelihood in 'passive' smokers.

You cannot deny that smoking has killed millions of people. Playing sport is not the alternative to smoking - not smoking is.

I've been known to change topics mid thread (so sue me...) BUT isnt the point of this thread to give away some tobacco ? not reletive merits of sport, smoking and stupidity ????

FWIW : Im an ex-smoker, now rabid non-smoker - I dont give a rats if you do or dont but I dont want to breathe it. agree to disagree and move on.

Isnt the purpose of sport and exercise to try and stay above ground as long as possible ? dont tell me my spandex wearing at the gym is all for nought!

74 not out and a life long smoker - you shoulda bought a lottery ticket...

tobacco can be a very pretty plant to look at BTW..... nice big pretty leaves almost like a fern....

Originally Posted by Zeddy

I've been known to change topics mid thread (so sue me...) BUT isnt the point of this thread to give away some tobacco ? not reletive merits of sport, smoking and stupidity ????

Zed, I draw your attention to the following line in Oldblock's second post:

Originally Posted by Oldblock

As for encouraging others, well lets get controversial for a moment, lets get a good solid debate going...

Zed, I would be quite happy to move on and agree to disagree, but not when my words are taken out of context by Oldblock to support his stupid argument.

Originally Posted by Oldblock

As a smoker I tolerated righteous 'NONS' whose preachings were quite unecessary.

Oldblock I disagree, I think smoking has very harmfull effects on your body, something you now, though belatedly, agree with.

All smokers except the completely stupid are fully aware of the harmful effects of the addiction.

If so, and if they don't quit they are stupid, thus every smoker is stupid.

Having reached that time in life where funerals have taken over from weddings and christenings only two of my friends died of smoke related illnesses and they were both in their eighties.

Anecdotal and not representative of the community at large.

As for the younger generations, not only are they wrecking their bodies playing healthy sports

As I saids " Words fail me " meaning to think that you are either so ignorant or opinionated to say this.



Now you can keep going in your beliefs but IMO it is great to see that shortly in Victoria all smoking in public buildings and places will be banned so that no one has to suffer from passive smoking.

I only hope that some time soon hospitals will refuse to treat smokers for their self inflicted health problems like some doctors already do.

Now we can move on.


Peter.

I only hope that some time soon hospitals will refuse to treat smokers for their self inflicted health problems like some doctors already do.

Peter,
I hope our society does not adopt this attitude because it could easily extend to injuries by hoons in cars, unsafe workers and a multitude of seamingly self inflicted illnesses.
A great thing about Australian's is that we are willing to help each other and this forum is a good example of that. I would hate us to become a nation of hard nosed selfish barstewards.
Off the soapbox and back to something a bit lighter.

Fair point Rod and I stand corrected.

To clarify what I meant to say was refuse to treat them WHILST they insist on continuing to smoke and refuse to give it up.

I know it may seem a bit harsh but consider the following. I regularly visit a nursing home that a mate of mine runs and one of the residents there is on assisted oxygen breathing 24/7 to stay alive.

Despite him needing oxygen all the time just to breathe he continues to smoke a packet a day. All this medical treatment is paid for by the taxpayer( veteran gold card holder). I think that is the kind of situation that I strongly object to and was thinking of when I made the comment.


Peter.

We all get carried away with the moment sometimes. I agree with what you said in the context it was meant. Some people just can't help themselves.