Thread: CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

Hear bloody hear Tom!

Originally Posted by BobL

Ordinarily yes, but some might well say (not me) that these are not ordinary times, this is war. How are teachers for example different from a check out operator at a pharmacy or even a grocery store for that matter ?

Sure, these are not ordinary times
The difference to me is the call for social isolation and not sharing. People have a choice to keep that 1.2m distance and I have noticed it happening in places such as my pharmacy, which it one you mentioned.
I, unfortunately, don’t have that luxury and neither do my students who have to share equipment and work in groups. This happens but I see management cancelling meetings, parliament running on a skeleton staff of MPs to “keep the distance”.
i care about myself and my family, my fellow teachers and my students.

Lappa is right.

The public servants abandon posts at a mere sniffle. Whole departments here are now working from home. Every other business has a choice to be online....

But teachers are being forced to work?

The probability they will catch this from the kids will be 100%.

Few interesting graphs from Coronavirus data reveals how COVID-19 is spreading in Australia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Known destinations of COVID19 cases in Australia.
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Looks like good case to lockdown at least NSW or at least Sydney?
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Originally Posted by Chesand

There are two nurses in my family and they chose that profession because that was what they wanted and both are damn good in their fields.
I also have a daughter in the Public Service working her butt off helping set up guidelines for aged care. She worked until 9 on Sunday night.
I hope you don't need their help but remember they are there for everyone - even those who don't appreciate them or their skills

I never said I don’t appreciate their skills and caring. I had two major surgeries last year and the doctors and nurses where brilliant. All I said is I didn’t choose to be one. Is that a crime?

My problem is the inference from BobL that everyone is sharing the same risks which is not true. Doctors and nurses have the training and the equipment to work within this environment.
Other people can go all day with a 1.2m isolation zone, some can sit in the home all day and some ha e no choice but to work within a zone everyone says you shouldn’t
If I had a choice, I would still work and use an isolation zone, as recommended, but I can’t and neither can my students and neither can those other people forced into the same situation Does that make the risk for those who can’t work with an isolation zone the same as those who can or have the equipment to minimise risk?

Originally Posted by woodPixel

Lappa is right.

The public servants abandon posts at a mere sniffle. Whole departments here are now working from home. Every other business has a choice to be online....

But teachers are being forced to work?

The probability they will catch this from the kids will be 100%.

Hard to see how it is any different to Supermarket etc staff or anybody else that has to deal with the general public.

Consider the following: there are two cars in the workshop for repair, and they both need the same part, of which there is only one available, so one customer has to miss out (for a day or ten anyway, until another one comes in). One car belongs to a local mobile Nurse. The other belongs to the proprietor's sibling.

OTOH, a Triage Nurse in a smallish country town has one ventilator available, and has two people at death's door in front of her. One of them is her 75 year old mother. The other is some kid/young adult she doesn't know. She is under instruction to save the most likely to survive....even though another ventilator will arrive in the next day or ten.

Which professional has the easier choice? Which one will be mentally tortured?

Originally Posted by Lappa

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I never said I don’t appreciate their skills and caring. I had two major surgeries last year and the doctors and nurses where brilliant. All I said is I didn’t choose to be one. Is that a crime?

My problem is the inference from BobL that everyone is sharing the same risks which is not true. Doctors and nurses have the training and the equipment to work within this environment.

I think you are comparing with wrong occupations, maybe compare yourself to people that have bout the same risk as you.

Playing devils advocate here, but checkout assistants, the receptionists at GPs, Physiotherapists, bartender, waiter, fast food server, bus drivers, conductors, etc are in the same - maybe worse boat than you are.

I know that the authorities are against making your own hand sanitiser but its actually very easy.
Here is a WHO approved method WHO-recommended handrub formulations - WHO Guidelines on Hand Hygiene in Health Care - NCBI Bookshelf
Maybe run a class on making it and applying it to themselves with the students. Then get the students to lather their hands and the tool handles with it at the beginning and end of every class. Allocate students to wipe down key machine pieces/switches/handles with cloth impregnated with the sanitiser.

You also forgot to mention that they are political experts, finance experts, etc........

Originally Posted by Lappa

All I said is I didn’t choose to be one. Is that a crime?

No, that is not quite what you said.

Originally Posted by Lappa

If I wanted to look after the sick and infirm and expose my self to whatever, I would have become a doctor or a nurse. They chose that profession, I didn’t. Besides that, pictures show them all dressed in protective suits and masks.

The inference was that it was their bad luck that they are in the front line of a pandemic because of their chosen career.

Originally Posted by Lappa

i sent a student home today because he came in sniffing with a runny nose.

Well, lucky for you. Reckon a med pro would love to have that option eh?

Originally Posted by BobL

I think you are comparing with wrong occupations, maybe compare yourself to people that have bout the same risk as you.

Playing devils advocate here, but checkout assistants, the receptionists at GPs, Physiotherapists, bartender, waiter, fast food server, bus drivers, conductors, etc are in the same - maybe worse boat than you are.

Maybe you should have read further and quoteD what I said further down,

“If I had a choice, I would still work and use an isolation zone, as recommended, but I can’t and neither can my students and neither can those other people forced into the same situation Does that make the risk for those who can’t work with an isolation zone the same as those who can or have the equipment to minimise risk?”

You can clearly see that I never said it was only about teachers.

Disposable gloves and hand sanitiser have been ordered. It will be interesting to see how long it takes as the Govt, in their wisdom, closed QStores so everything comes from a common source that many use and supplies are low and limited.
I can’t force the students to bring their own.
The Govt is big on words and monetary handouts and useless when it comes to practical solutions.

I think Lappa's comments are somewhat taken to the extreme.

I think the government(s) all have a lot to answer for about their (lack of) response. If they were more harsh with the guidelines, and were more direct to industry, then there would be more sensible ways for employers to be able to say that a particular situation (eg classroom, office, particular client interactions) do or don't meet the minimum safe guidelines we've been given, and they would then not expose the employees and clients to unsafe situations. Many schools/unis are already doing the "don't come to campus" thing, and that's awesome, but if there were clear directions those places that hadn't yet moved to this level of response there would be no question about how they would do that.

But also there's nothing stopping institutions and organisations to be already readying their response to this and accelerating the transition. I suspect that Lappa's school are already trying to deal with this. My company, and those of many of my friends I've spoken to, have all said that their employers have said if they're not comfortable doing something then they should put themselves first and not attend - that could be as simple as calling a client instead of visiting (if they're even taking meetings as part of their own response) or as significant as not travelling to the office. Clearly this doesn't work for people who are "front line" in their business - can you imagine the discussions at Carbatec and H&F, let alone at even higher throughput places like supermarkets, where the exposure isn't as long but the numbers of contacts would be very high.

I think Nonna says it all

It's somewhat ridiculous to ban gatherings of (now) 100 people but allow metal sausages full of people to travel over the train lines in the city, with a few hundred different people each trip, meaning you're sitting with not just the 249 other people in your carriage, but the 3x other people they've been close to, and the 20x other people they've been around-but-not-close-to, and then you get to do that all again on the way home. (or if you were like my wife had, you had that 6x per day with 3 different rail segments per direction and somewhere between 3 and 4 hours in all that) So it's easy to see why any reduction in travel has to be beneficial.

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

No, that is not quite what you said.

The inference was that it was their bad luck that they are in the front line of a pandemic because of their chosen career.


Well, lucky for you. Reckon a med pro would love to have that option eh?

vitriolic as usual and reading into it words that were never said or implied.

Just following the Govt directive re the student.

Maybe turn up dressed like this?
Scomo would have to at least make it tax deductible in the current climate?
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