Thread: CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

Originally Posted by BobL

Do I look suitably rabid/infected enough?
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let's see

1. your hair was cut more recently than mine
2. your hair hasn't receded as far as mine
3. your beard has been trimmed fairly recently





and no you don't look suitably "rabid" or "infected"

more "cute" -- I'll leave other adjectives to your SWMBO

This no-haircut thing is a disaster.

I dont know how many of you are like me, but my hair is completely fine, until some arbitrary Tuesday where it goes completely feral!

It's amazing how suddenly it strikes ... Its fine, then BOOF!

Today is that day

Can we not agree on returning to the topic that this thread has morphed into ??

I, for one, can ignore or similarly dismiss those posts that, IMO, should be treated so.



some comments from my experience in Canada ...

Many of Canada's snowbirds arrived back in country over a week ago -- ahead of the March 21st border "closure" with the US. This saw a spike in detected COVID-19 cases in Canada as the returning Canadians "brought" the virus into the country. Self-isolation among this group was not good with many returning snowbirds allegedly detouring via "the grocery store", "RV maintenance and storage sites", "gas stations" etc before reaching their permanent housing.
By mid-night Wednesday, returning snowbirds and other returning Canadians were subjected to a mandatory 14 day home quarantine
source: Strict new mandatory quarantine rules in effect for returning Canadians | CBC News (and I'm not having a dig at Brett or anyone else)

That action was 3 days before "Scott from Marketing" imposed a similar 14 day mandatory quarantine period on returning Australians.


On March 17 -- 12 days ago -- Premier Kenny declared a state of "public health emergency" in Alberta.
Also on March 17, Parks Canada closed all visitor services within all Canadian National Parks -- was a bit of a disaster as the weather last weekend was relatively mild - at least for my part of Canada so lots of people from Calgary visited the sort of closed parks.
So by this past week, parking anywhere in all National Parks was "banned" -- being a "local" I can travel along Highway 1 to access Banff or Lake Louise but I can't access any of the parking lots alongside Highway 1 and I'm not sure if the road between Lake Louise and Jasper (Highway 93 north) is open or closed. I suspect it is closed as Avalanche Canada is no longer performing avalanche control works in the area.
A similar closure was applied to all Alberta Provincial Parks from last (Friday) night. The impact for me is that I can drop people off to ski at the Canmore Nordic Centre but I can't enter the 500 vehicle parking lot and the trails are not being groomed. All the major ski hills were ordered closed more than a week ago when Parks Canada ordered all "aerial ropeways" to close.

Other actions in Alberta this past week.
Premier Kenny has imposed a 3 month freeze on evictions -- backdated to mid-March -- if the eviction is related to non-payment of rent. If a similar blanket provision was enacted in each Australian state, people like Kye Kemp would be protected Residential and commercial tenants call for relief as coronavirus rental crisis looms - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) Note that Kenny has also banned renters being charged late fees from 1st April (rents in my part of Canada are typically due on the first of the month). Kenny is encouraging landlords to work out payment plans with their tenants.
Grocery stores, gas stations and pharmacies remain open, but all cafes are closed and restaurants restricted to take-out only.
The premier has also opened his pocket book to tide people over till Federal Canadian benefits kick-in in mid-April.

If anything Alberta is much further advanced with its responsive actions than Australia.



Where I remain concerned is that Australia still seems to be doing too little too late in response to the crisis.

Something to help anyone who may feel that they have been cyberbullied by someone on this or other threads:

Source: 7 Ways to Deal with Cyberbullying | Talkspace

Author: Kimberly Hershenson

• Date: Jul 07, 2017

Bullying isn’t new, but the way people go about it has changed. What was once reserved for the schoolyard now occurs at home or at work via social media. In fact, cyberbullying affects adults as much as children. A 2012 study from the University of Nottingham and the University of Sheffield found that eight out of ten of the 320 adults surveyed across three different universities had been victims of cyberbullying in the last six months. About a quarter reported feeling humiliated, ignored, or being the subject of online gossip at least once a week.

Rude comments or bullying in general can make one feel hurt, sad, or angry, leading to feelings of depression, anxiety, or self-esteem issues. When the rude comments or bullying are online — when people are looking at social media at home or at work — it can be even worse because it is happening in a place where they should feel safe. It can happen when they are around people important to them such as their children.
The written word is sometimes worse than the spoken word due to its permanency, and it can feel impossible to escape bullying. People see the comments every time they return to a page. Unlike in-person bullying, the bullies who makes the rude comments online cannot see how their victims react. They may go further with their bullying then if they were actually able to see the victim’s physical reaction.
Online groups are filled with hundreds if not thousands of people who all witness the rude comments. This can make the situation more hurtful than a few people hearing the rude comments in person.
So what can you do to handle cyberbullying and be polite online? Here are a few tips:
1. Don’t retaliate and write a nasty post in response.
It will only make the situation worse.
2. Do not take the rude comments personally nor doubt your views or beliefs.
The rude comments have little to do with you. They are more about the issues of the person making them.
3. Do not reread the offending comments.
This will only lead to obsession and further anger. Report the offending comments to a group moderator if possible.
4. Understand that not everyone has your same beliefs or views.
Be open to others’ thoughts and opinions. Recognize that many people can be right. What seems like a rude comment at first glance might only be someone expressing a different opinion.
5. Make a 30 second rule.
After you’ve written something but before you post it, step away from the computer or phone for 30 seconds. When you come back, look at the message you wrote and ask yourself how you’d feel if someone wrote this to you.
6. Take a technology break.
Turn off your phone and computer for a night and enjoy doing something free from technology such as enjoying a nice meal, meditating, or taking a warm bath.
7. Technology doesn’t have to make us victims or perpetrators of bullying.
By being mindful and considerate, we can make our online experience better.
While bullying is nothing new and we all know that it’s changed, finding victims not only on the playground but where they are online, there are tactics to combat it. Raising awareness about the issue, defining it as unacceptable, and sticking up for those who are bullied are ways that we will hopefully curtail this growing problem.

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Not as important as point scoring for some people, especially when such a minor difference in the terminology makes one description as good as the other, as you acknowledge.

Its not about point scoring. It’s expecting from you the same as you demand from others.

Originally Posted by Tccp123

Sorry, missed the original message. Here it is:

"As it was then, yes I agree. We needed to go to the smarter end of it - I don't know exactly what that would be, but when countries like China and India are taking over laborious industry because of their cheap labour then it was time for us to look at and invest in much higher end industry. Mind you, as their lifestyles and conditions improve, cheap labour from China and India will come to an end and move to probably Africa in due course"

then back to Australia, New Zealand and UK

Originally Posted by ian

some comments from my experience in Canada ...

Other actions in Alberta this past week.
Premier Kenny has imposed a 3 month freeze on evictions -- backdated to mid-March -- if the eviction is related to non-payment of rent. If a similar blanket provision was enacted in each Australian state, people like Kye Kemp would be protected Residential and commercial tenants call for relief as coronavirus rental crisis looms - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) Note that Kenny has also banned renters being charged late fees from 1st April (rents in my part of Canada are typically due on the first of the month). Kenny is encouraging landlords to work out payment plans with their tenants.

Where I remain concerned is that Australia still seems to be doing too little too late in response to the crisis.

Ian

Our Australian Government has been unforgivably slow in enacting most of the policies around this pandemic. It is not as if there are not examples all around the world to indicate the perils of inaction. I fully agree with some sort of moratorium on rent payment ( as I do for mortgage repayments, easy for the bank: tack it onto the end of the contract). As almost everybody is in the same boat with reduced or no income there is little point in waving the big stick over a tenant. Who would replace them anyway? I think I have seen that the UK has done something similar too, but I need somebody to confirm this.

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Lappa

Its not about point scoring. It’s expecting from you the same as you demand from others.

My final words on that:

• When someone quotes someone else, then it should be credited or at least a link provided, especially if it is an entire news article as post #798 was.
• Copying & pasting an excerpt from a post into a google search may well reveal if the words are from someone else. The same can be done for any post.
• Plagiarism should be held to account in just the same way as the long standing forum convention that inaccurate or false information should be challenged.
• When posting original thoughts there is no need to say anything about what source was used because self-evidently the poster is the source.

First of all a simple statement about my view on bullying - cyber or otherwise. To me it's water off a duck's back but I know others are bothered by it. There is no place for bullies - it's as simple as that. I will not respond to any message I deem to be rude or disrespectful - no explanation, I just won't respond to it.

Now the more important part. Here's a YouTube link that talks about "the numbers", specifically the exaggeration of them. This is something that has crossed my mind many times in the past two weeks. It also talks about why this might be being done. This sounds a little bit too much like a conspiracy theory to me but you be the judge. It's not overly long...

YouTube

Originally Posted by Tccp123

First of all a simple statement about my view on bullying - cyber or otherwise. To me it's water off a duck's back but I know others are bothered by it. There is no place for bullies - it's as simple as that. I will not respond to any message I deem to be rude or disrespectful - no explanation, I just won't respond to it.

Now the more important part. Here's a YouTube link that talks about "the numbers", specifically the exaggeration of them. This is something that has crossed my mind many times in the past two weeks. It also talks about why this might be being done. This sounds a little bit too much like a conspiracy theory to me but you be the judge. It's not overly long...

and the link is?.......





Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

and the link is?.......





Regards
Paul

Sorry

YouTube

Originally Posted by ian

let's see
1. your hair was cut more recently than mine

Just before Xmas - female Iranian barber relatively cheap $10 but I'm not going there, SWMBO used to do it and she says she will do it again

2. your hair hasn't receded as far as mine

Perhaps a side benefit of retiring early?

3. your beard has been trimmed fairly recently

I do it myself once a month with the dog hair clippers with #3 comb. I do have a beard "trimmer" that good for edges, and ear and nose hair but it has no combs.

My impressions about Canadians V Aussies is they would be slightly better at following any "rules" than Aussies, who if challenged would express a half stunned mullet look (mainly out of ignorance) and then tell the challenger to F-off. I don't blame the average punter for everything, official communications have been woeful and highly inconsistent. Take the beaches, Some are closed and patrolled so they stay closed, some are close but unpatrolled, Some are open for short walks, runs swims (no definition provided of "short"). Some are open with nothing indicated as to what is permitted.

A lot of this attitude was demonstrated by my experience watching outside a shopping centre yesterday. The images of the mum/day, grannie and two kids going into the shopping centre are still there. Also watching on FB and still seeing lots of unrelated group postings of people.

Then there was the returning cruise ship Aussie couple on TV who were complaining about having to stay on Rottnest for their quarantine period and preferring to stay on the ship. ! I reckon people like that should be sent to a disused mining camp out near Laverton for 4 weeks instead. As for the Australians who boarded cruise ships after explicit government advice on March 9 against cruise travel, particularly for older travellers with health issues, they can have a tent in Warburton - hang on, I think that might be off limits because its a remote settlement.
Getting back to the data, yesterday saw a significant rise in detected cases on the east coast, so my "data looks promising" indication in a previous post just got blown out of the water.

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

Our Australian Government has been unforgivably slow in enacting most of the policies around this pandemic.
As almost everybody is in the same boat with reduced or no income there is little point in waving the big stick over a tenant. Who would replace them anyway?

Yes, it's reminiscent of the Fed's bushfire response. Lots of fires - go to Hawaii, lots of disease - go to the footy.

In the context of a "usual" recession (and this situation is different) there is a point to make about rentals: with commercial premises, yes, extremely likely that there will be nobody else to fill the vacancy for quite some time to come. However with residential, those that are forced to sell their owner-occupied homes (or are foreclosed upon) will still need somewhere to live, and so can take up some of the slack in residential rental properties. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if vacancy rates went down (some) in a recession, not accounting for the poor souls that end up homeless.

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Yes, it's reminiscent of the Fed's bushfire response. Lots of fires - go to Hawaii, lots of disease - go to the footy.

It's basically the difference between a Statesman and a Politican(Marketeer).
With the latter it's lots of smoke and mirrors, coverup anything nasty, dabbling with minutiae to cloud the issues, random micro managing, jolly good old chap, and carry on she'll be right.
The other is the opposite.

My impression is our pollies are only able to talk about rules and regs and telling people "to stop hoarding" because they can't think of anything inspirational or significant to say. Besides they've already lost the confidence of many people so it's almost irrelevant what any of them say. Just remember we voted these people in.