Thread: CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

A few people have asked me about my Italian family so thought it would be easier to respond here.

As of this morning all are OK. I have 9 Uncles and Aunts (all over 70 except for one aunt who is a couple of years younger then me and unfortunately she is the frailest of the lot) and dozens of cousins in Northern Italy. None are in Lombardy.

Mums family are mainly in the Veneto region (second highest testing per inhabitant in the world after Iceland, with ~100 deaths per million) which is next to Lombardy (more than 700 deaths per million). The older relatives might not even tell anyone if they had COVID19 - they are very superstitious about disease. One of my Aunts died of Lung cancer about 5 years ago and I met her 3 times while she had it and she never mentioned it once - she called it "her illness". The younger generation is much more open about it.

Dads rellies are mainly in Trento in the alps so are much more isolated and also have fewer medical facilities. They have 173 deaths/million but they also have an older population profile. They readily admit if they have have something.

Everyone is seriously locked down. It's been quite sobering to be peeking occasionally into the heart of the abyss. The FB traffic is relentless mix of humour, craziness, sarcasm and tragedy. I am amazed no one I know has not been struck down.

Finally met someone today who knows someone with CV.

Sorry Bob but...

Jacinda Ardern for PM

Originally Posted by woodPixel

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Hint: ITS CHINA
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??? Worldometers is a Chinese website based in Shanghai.

Originally Posted by NeilS

Might have to resort to my 3M respirator... that's going to scatter the other shoppers in the Woolworth aisles!

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Prolly best not to do your banking wearing that.

12 hours since the last post????

Interesting article about analysing COVID19 data and the caution require in interpretation.
Scott Morrison says the coronavirus curve is flattening. Are we turning the corner? - Fact Check - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Basically says we're too early in the infection stage to draw many conclusions.
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As I said before this could be the small wave before the tsunami.

Originally Posted by Chesand

12 hours since the last post????

Yes, it has gone a bit quiet.

Have we all gone down with it?

Originally Posted by NeilS

Yes, it has gone a bit quiet.

Have we all gone down with it?

I wasn't game to ask that question.

I see QLD now has 835 known infections. That’s out of a population of 5,000,000 or 1 in 6000. Let’s make it 2 in 12,000 because it sounds better ��.

So venturing out yesterday I feel I was really rolling the dice. However to have become infected I would have had to have contact with one of those two people out of the 12,000 I interacted with yesterday, then I would have had to catch it from them, then I would have had to be in the “at risk” group, then I would have to be one of the 4% in the “at risk” group who will probably die.

That's a lot of "ifs"

But of course if those 835 people have been identified then it would be safe to assume they’re not walking around freely interacting with other people.

But wait I hear you saying, what about the sleepers? Of course they are the great unknown and the thing that will continue to give this thing legs. There could be thousands of them out there. You just don't know...

I see the WHO has been exposed for what it is, a politically motivated organisation driven by cheque book idealism.

Reminds me of a Roger Rogerson quote when describing the NSW police force back in the '80s "The best police force money could buy" )

Originally Posted by Tccp123

I see QLD now has 835 known infections. That’s out of a population of 5,000,000 or 1 in 6000. Let’s make it 2 in 12,000 because it sounds better ��.

So venturing out yesterday I feel I was really rolling the dice. However to have become infected I would have had to have contact with one of those two people out of the 12,000 I interacted with yesterday, then I would have had to catch it from them, then I would have had to be in the “at risk” group, then I would have to be one of the 4% in the “at risk” group who will probably die.

That's a lot of "ifs"

Sorry, you are WRONG.
Partly correct, but mostly wrong.
This bit is correct, mostly:

Originally Posted by Tccp123

However to have become infected I would have had to have contact with one of those two people out of the 12,000 I interacted with yesterday, then I would have had to catch it from them

You wouldn't have had to interact with them, you would have just had to be exposed to droplets containing the virus and had them find a path to your bloodstream. So they sneeze and get goopies on the handrail going into the library, an hour or two later you come past and lean on the rail to get up the stairs easier, then you scratch at your nose as you open the door. Bam.
This bit:

Originally Posted by Tccp123

then I would have had to be in the “at risk” group, then I would have to be one of the 4% in the “at risk” group who will probably die.

isn't necessary to be one of the statistics.
Spouting stuff like this leads me to believe you think this is all $hits and giggles and you're safe. You aren't. Sure, you might come through this all ok at the end of it, but your blase approach can have serious consequences for others in the community if you don't take it serious.

Originally Posted by poundy

isn't necessary to be one of the statistics. Spouting stuff like this leads me to believe you think this is all $hits and giggles and you're safe. You aren't. Sure, you might come through this all ok at the end of it, but your blase approach can have serious consequences for others in the community if you don't take it serious.

You can't avoid being one of the statistics, we're all destined to be part of them. What I'm trying to get you to understand is that the statistics are on your side.

Well it appears that "wearing masks" will soon be almost as strong a message as "wash hands".
I hope they back it up with a half decent education campaign.

Coronavirus can spread through talking or breathing, prestigious panel tells White House - CNN

Dr. Harvey Fineberg, chairman of a committee with the National Academy of Sciences told CNN that he will wear start wearing a mask when he goes to the grocery store.
"I'm not going to wear a surgical mask, because clinicians need those," said Fineberg, former dean of the Harvard School of Public Health. "But I have a nice western-style bandana I might wear. Or I have a balaclava. I have some pretty nice options."

CDC are apparently going to be making a statement about masks in the near future.
WHO are also re-considering the whole masks for the public thing.
OK they are in desperate straights but the Mayor of New York has also made masks a recommendation.

I'm thinking about wearing mine while using Zoom.