if you dont believe in global warming sign this

**Mike B** · 23rd November 2009, 02:10 AM

Yep, I've read all the assessment reports. They were what led me to seeking out alternate points of view on the matter. In terms of modelling vs reality, I think there is more room-to-move in the IPSS's likely and very likely scenarios than many would care to admit.
In the context of this discussion I am frankly more concerned about the efficacy of the government's proposed solutions to those scenarios that the IPCC modelling suggests.

Australia's ETS is hobbled and vague and the final version is still unknown (assuming the Coalition do come to the party) only a few weeks away from Copenhagen.

Copenhagen is going to be all about the money, how can it not be? This is the power that exists between nations. Will these diplomats be thinking about the environment once the keynote speakers are done and the real deals begin behind closed doors?

My scepticism in not so much about climate change as the abilities and motivations of those involved in developing the solutions (treaties or globalised cap and trade of carbon) that we will have to deal with for decades to come.

**kiwigeo** · 23rd November 2009, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Cruzi

I don't believe in this fire, it can't hurt me.

Taken 10 mins ago as the rainforest burns at our doorstep, at least one house has gone up in smoke ........

Hells Teeth Cruzi....stay safe mate and keep us updated.

**kiwigeo** · 23rd November 2009, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by weisyboy

has someone done the research and got all teh temps for every day everyware in the world for teh last 200 years and actualy worked it out?

if so lets see teh results.
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Instrumental records exist back to 1850 and are readily accessable......no need for me to spoon feed you the information when the fact youure posting on this forum indicates that you have the skills required to do a simple Google search.

**Cruzi** · 23rd November 2009, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by kiwigeo

Hells Teeth Cruzi....stay safe mate and keep us updated.

Fire crews worked until small hours of the morning, the town is still blanketed in smoke, not sure of extent of damage, been keeping out the road to let emergency services do their bit.
It looks to be that no-one was seriosly hurt that we are aware of, as for the person screaming at the fire engine that their house was burning, I hope their property is OK.

**.RC.** · 25th November 2009, 02:47 PM

Well looks like the Extreme Tax Scheme is a foregone conclusion....Open your wallets as it is going to cost more then $500 a year for every man, woman and child in Australia..

Unless you are poor then you get 120% back, or you are a coal miner you get $7 billion in compensation...

GG Liberal/Labor coalition...

**Waldo** · 25th November 2009, 03:05 PM

And my hourly rate will be going up accordingly, not for my profit but so that I can keep my head above water to pay for the tax.

**Gingermick** · 25th November 2009, 03:43 PM

waldo, that'll push up inflation and my mortgage repayments, please dont.
Mind you I could probably deal with it if my pay goes up three fold too.

**Waldo** · 25th November 2009, 03:54 PM

I'm just the messenger, instructions came from higher up. Mr Dudd.

Me

**Gingermick** · 25th November 2009, 04:01 PM

Well in the up side, at least he doesn't have absurd looking eyebrows.

**Waldo** · 25th November 2009, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Gingermick

Well in the up side, at least he doesn't have absurd looking eyebrows.

I gave them a trim last night.

**.RC.** · 25th November 2009, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Waldo

And my hourly rate will be going up accordingly,

And then you won't hired..

This is the stupidity of the scheme... The only way to reduce emissions immediately is to either

A: go offshore

B: reduce productivity.

I believe a combination of the two will happen... Consumers will not do without the aircon or TV, so they will give up little luxuries to start with, like going to the cinema, eating out at restaurants etc etc...This then puts those businesses either out of business or they have to raise prices to stay afloat..

**Waldo** · 25th November 2009, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by .RC.

And then you won't hired..

I won't have any issues with that at all.

**.RC.** · 25th November 2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Waldo

I won't have any issues with that at all.

Either way if you work in what could be termed a luxury job, you may find it tough as lower living standards see people spending less on luxuries..

Quite ironic krudd spent so much to keep the retail industry going, now is going to slow it down...

**weisyboy** · 25th November 2009, 06:33 PM

better get your orders in now before they put the price of everything up.

i know i will have to once again raise my prices.

**Sebastiaan56** · 26th November 2009, 05:36 AM

Yup we all will, but I betcha the Chinese dont, or the Thais or whoever prints all of the magazines, books etc. I pity our kids, maybe we should move to China now to give them a head start in life.....

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