Thread: Future of the Australian Electricity Market

Originally Posted by Beardy

They could easily use the existing authorised pink slip inspection system to do an official odometre reading and lodge it on the system as a mandatory requirement before you can renew your rego

Beardy

That would only work in states such as NSW where there are yearly mandatory checkups. However, perhaps a yearly odometer check could be organised in other states such as QLD.

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

That would only work in states such as NSW where there are yearly mandatory checkups.

Only for cars >3 years old in NSW.

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Only for cars >3 years old in NSW.

Only when you sell your car in QLD.

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

Beardy

That would only work in states such as NSW where there are yearly mandatory checkups. However, perhaps a yearly odometer check could be organised in other states such as QLD.

Regards
Paul

Agree it would be easier to apply to the NSW system but still would not be an enormous event to implement a similar system elsewhere. There are plenty of chain store operators that would take on the agency to boost revenue and get people into their stores

Even 2 cents per km is only $200 for 10,000.

One COULD lie, but whats the point?

It could be as simple as:

- A portal where one logs in, advises the rego and Km, pays with a card and you're done*, OR
- Done yearly with ones tax (as if the ATO couldn't get everyone's rego anyway)
- Advised to the insurer once per year (have a crash and the numbers are vastly wrong?... "what insurance, sir?")
- At the time of a service (of some kind)
- Telemetry reported by the car as part of its existing processes (of updates, battery condition, energy sharing, etc)

and ultimately, collected at the time of sale or being written off.

All of these would be trivial to implement.


* this is EXACTLY what happens in the ACT now.

Originally Posted by woodPixel

Even 2 cents per km is only $200 for 10,000.

One COULD lie, but what's the point?

an "typical" ICE vehicle achieves about 10 l/100km, so 10,000 km would equate to around 1000 litres of fuel, which at the current fuel excise rate of 46 cents/litre is around $460.

Decrease the fuel efficiency of the ICE and/or increase the annual mileage travelled and you're starting to look at an amount where lying about the km travelled starts to become worthwhile.


The way I've always looked at fuel excise is that it's vehicle usage tax that in part pays for road construction and maintenance, in part compensates for the externalities of using a motor vehicle -- e.g. hospital costs for persons injured in vehicle crashes, general pollution (dust from rubber tyres, etc)
Not that the money raised through the excise tax is not explicitly directed towards the externalities associated with using a motor vehicle.

Market spot prices have been a little less volatile of late. I thought these few might be of interest:

Some feb spot prices and demands.PNG

The Wed figures were only a prediction and not actual.
The day with the highest range of spot prices resulted in the lowest average price.
The day with the highest demand resulted in the highest spot price. This is to be expected.
These prices only for QLD
There are demand stats for four states.

Nothing to do with these figures, but there is a high temperature forecast for this coming weekend (Sunday in particular) and correspondingly high market prices.

Regards
Paul

A little bit about Hydrogen: This came from CS Energy and is a little bit of self-inflation without too much detail. They do identify that industry and heavy transport could be the main benefactors where batteries, as they currently exist, are impractical.

CS Energy Queensland | Power Generator in Queensland (csenergytomorrow.com.au)

However, this is for the various colours and is to some extent onanism :

Colours of Hydrogen | Understanding the Spectrum of Hydrogen (csenergytomorrow.com.au)


Really, only Yellow (I hadn't realised there was any distinction from green) and Green hydrogen have any worthwhile benefit.

This is a video of the transportation of the replacement generator for the unit damaged at Callide C4. I don't think they specify too much detail (again), but elsewhere I have seen that the weight was 600 tonnes and the length of the road train was 120m. It would be interesting at roundabouts and on the fast corners. Quite a few prime movers and lots of self steering wheels.

Road transfer of Callide Unit C4 new generator stator - YouTube

Regards
Paul

When I did chemistry in school, Paul, hydrogen used to be an odourless, colourless, tasteless gas. Don't really understand how you can paint it in rainbow colours.

Think this stuff has come from the commissar for propaganda and not from the engineering department.

Originally Posted by GraemeCook

When I did chemistry in school, Paul, hydrogen used to be an odourless, colourless, tasteless gas. Don't really understand how you can paint it in rainbow colours.

Think this stuff has come from the commissar for propaganda and not from the engineering department.

Graeme

I think the use of Hydrogen as a fuel has "evolved." When it was first touted so many people said, "what a jolly good idea," or words to that effect and followed quickly with "we will have some of that cake." Then upspoke some genius who pointed out that if the object was to have a fuel source that did not produce CO2 emissions it wasn't really feasible to burn fossil fuel to produce this hydrogen. Now this in no way deterred the rascal element of hydrogen production continuing to state how good their hydrogen was even if it used gas to make the hydrogen. In fact, if you are going to use a fossil fuel for this purpose, you would be better off (less CO2 emissions) just burning the fossil fuel direct.

To our enlightened Forum readers this is painfully obvious and in truth you don't need a genius to point this out. You just need half a brain that has been severely impacted by alcohol and it sticks out like the proverbials.

However, not everybody is a Forum member and for those a colour scheme was formulated. It was probably originally intended to be aired on "Playschool" and targeted at the under fives, but has inevitably found it's way into the greater populace and has now gained traction even with respected news organisations (not too many of those about, but that's another story). Of course, you are quite right and the colour is just the same as when we were at school.



Regards
Paul

Its too complex.

It should be just a number.

100 is pure evil. It is H2 that uses irreplaceable resources and emits CO2 as part of its production.

1 is good, sweet, loving H2. It is generated using Science and no irreplaceable resources were used in its creation, nor its creation emitted CO2, nor needed some carbon-capture-offset rubbish mumbo jumbo to hide the fact its actually evil.

• 1 is not taxed.
• 100 is taxed.
• The tax scale slides as a percentage, at the percentage of its determined creation Evilness and CO2 emission. Said tax percentage goes from 1 to 100....
• This will enthusiastically encourage vendors to develop the most clean, the most environmentally sound, the greenest possible H2... or they pay a heavy price to input it into the market.
• Consumers will avoid heavily taxed H2 in favour of lighter taxed manufacturers.
• It will also act as a subsidy to encourage science based solutions, rather than dig-and-burn solutions.
• and from there... its all rather obvious.

After all, Hydrogen is number 1.

Originally Posted by woodPixel

Its too complex.

It should be just a number.

100 is pure evil. It is H2 that uses irreplaceable resources and emits CO2 as part of its production.

1 is good, sweet, loving H2. It is generated using Science and no irreplaceable resources were used in its creation, nor its creation emitted CO2, nor needed some carbon-capture-offset rubbish mumbo jumbo to hide the fact its actually evil.

• 1 is not taxed.
• 100 is taxed.
• The tax scale slides as a percentage, at the percentage of its determined creation Evilness and CO2 emission. Said tax percentage goes from 1 to 100....
• This will enthusiastically encourage vendors to develop the most clean, the most environmentally sound, the greenest possible H2... or they pay a heavy price to input it into the market.
• Consumers will avoid heavily taxed H2 in favour of lighter taxed manufacturers.
• It will also act as a subsidy to encourage science based solutions, rather than dig-and-burn solutions.
• and from there... its all rather obvious.

After all, Hydrogen is number 1.

Ahh ... but .... you are talking about evilness to the extreme when it comes to suppliers of go juice.

They will come up with a cunning plan to sell "1" as "100" with tax levied upon the hapless customer but then pocket the said tax through a convoluted corporate structure and an offshore tax haven.

Originally Posted by Mobyturns

Ahh ... but .... you are talking about evilness to the extreme when it comes to suppliers of go juice.

They will come up with a cunning plan to sell "1" as "100" with tax levied upon the hapless customer but then pocket the said tax through a convoluted corporate structure and an offshore tax haven.

Way back in the 1950's when Australia had a 18% inflation and a Price Justification Tribunal charged with fighting inflation, I had a friend who was an accountant with the PJT. They had a client who imported white goods and advised that "they added a margin of 1% to most product lines and up to 2% on others." Nevertheless, they were still audited.

It all evolved on their definition of 1%. They imported goods with a cost into store (CIS) of $100, after purchase price, freight, customs, insurance, etc had all been paid, then they added "1%" and wholesaled the goods for $200, unless they thought they could get away with $300.

Tezza still insists that he believes that this and a couple of other companies is the reason that major white goods manufacturers brought in the agency marketing model.

An interesting article on microgeneration of zappies.

Melbourne scientists find enzyme that can make electricity out of tiny amounts of hydrogen - ABC News