Thread: Future of the Australian Electricity Market

This makes interesting reading too: The Tesla Cybertruck Still Looks Like Crap, Even In Matte Black

The first link is already outdated.
Re: Second link, I happened to agree with - my preference would be white, which is available as a wrap for only US$6500

This is worth a look but make sure you watch it to the end.

Bob

Love him or hate him, you have to say he absolutely has a knack for the dramatic!

I recently became aware of just how many variations there are of the 911, which was first introduced way back in the sixties (Actually 1964), and I doubt he chose one of the rocket ships, but still hugely impressive and a big kick in the proverbials for those knocking the towing capability of EVs. The range while towing would be a separate issue.

The least powerful Porsche I could find currently offered in Oz developed 283KWs.

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by BobL

FWIW The Tesla CyberTruck has been officially released in the US (although no right hand drive models currently available)
So far only several hundred are available for delivery compared to the millions that have been ordered.

Originally Posted by BobL

This is worth a look but make sure you watch it to the end.

Once again I am concerned about the future of the human race.

Millions of Americans have ordered an ugly car that can tow a porsche faster than the Porsche can drive. For what logical purpose?

So it can tow. Great. How fast is it gobbling up the basttery charge while it is doing that? Is it the same configuration that the ones on the street will be using?

Most ICE cars that can drag offf a Porsche over the standing quarter mile aren't street legal so maybe this one has been "tricked up" and is not the same as the general release vehicles will be.

I have a very bad mind picture of millions of supercharged, overweight battery packs on wheels being driven dangerously by millions of idiot drivers and the affect that will have on the general population.

Originally Posted by Bohdan

Batteries are able to supply that power for several hours but SH 2 will for several days.

Both systems rely on using power created at cheap times to get re-energised: batteries have to be recharged (hopefully by a solar array), and the hydro water has to be sent back up the hill (presumably by what ever power is available, solar or coal powered).

Originally Posted by Bohdan

Quoting figures of MW instead of MWH in the context of a battery is the sort of thing polys do when they make pre-election promises, and we all know what that is worth.

MW was the only measure I could find reasonably easily.

Originally Posted by doug3030

Once again I am concerned about the future of the human race.

Millions of Americans have ordered an ugly car that can tow a porsche faster than the Porsche can drive. For what logical purpose?

So it can tow. Great. How fast is it gobbling up the basttery charge while it is doing that? Is it the same configuration that the ones on the street will be using?

Most ICE cars that can drag offf a Porsche over the standing quarter mile aren't street legal so maybe this one has been "tricked up" and is not the same as the general release vehicles will be.

I have a very bad mind picture of millions of supercharged, overweight battery packs on wheels being driven dangerously by millions of idiot drivers and the affect that will have on the general population.

FF

I think people have been buying cars that are overly fast for a long time. frequently people do not buy a vehicle that is suitable for their purpose just because they want one. Nobody really needs a vehicle that is capable of more than, say, 120KM/hr, particularly if people wish to keep their license. Manufacturers would probably be unable to sell a vehicle like that as it would be automotive suicide. With cars, rationality tends to go out the door.

The power of Porsche models varies quite a bit and, as I said, I expect the one in the test (and on the trailer) was likely lower down what is admittedly quite an elevated spectrum.

As to the tweaking, that used to be quite rife. The Jaguar E-Type was the classic. The test car did a genuine 150mph as tested by both Motor and Autocar. No 6-cyl E-Type out of the showroom ever did that again, but it set up the E-Type for evermore. I remember a convertible version (it may have been auto as well) only struggled to manage 117mph! The Jaguar test prep team was very, very naughty boys.


Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

I think people have been buying cars that are overly fast for a long time. frequently people do not buy a vehicle that is suitable for their purpose just because they want one. Nobody really needs a vehicle that is capable of more than, say, 120KM/hr, particularly if people wish to keep their license. Manufacturers would probably be unable to sell a vehicle like that as it would be automotive suicide. With cars, rationality tends to go out the door.

Just cars? Do they need a $20million waterfront home for them and their wife, or to spend $1000 on lunch for two at the latest flash restaurant?

People show off. I suspect it's an evolutionary trait - demonstrate your superiority to get a good mate and perpetuate your genes. It's completely subconscious most of the time, and it's what enabled social media to take over our lives - why else would people post pictures of their plate of food in a restaurant, or their holiday abroad?

It must also be said that top speed is largely irrelevant in the real world. I have a collection of old Land Rovers which are very slow in all respects, and a diesel ute which isn't much faster. I also have a "hot hatch", and I have no idea what its top speed is, but it rarely gets above 100kph (110kph on the freeway). I just enjoy being able to overtake "efficiently".....

Warb

Agreed. The human race sees possessions as an extension of their personality and a measure of their worth. In my case I drive around in a frequently overladen 18 year old ute. Actually, in this regard, we mimic other, supposedly, lesser animals.

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Warb

Just cars? Do they need a $20million waterfront home for them and their wife, or to spend $1000 on lunch for two at the latest flash restaurant?

People show off. I suspect it's an evolutionary trait - demonstrate your superiority to get a good mate and perpetuate your genes. It's completely subconscious most of the time, and it's what enabled social media to take over our lives - why else would people post pictures of their plate of food in a restaurant, or their holiday abroad?

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Is there any difference between someone that can afford it who buys a $100k car or someone that spends $10k on machinery and goodies for their workshop just to make a couple of pieces of ordinary furniture or a few boxes? Anyway the Cybertruck is not really designed to compete with average mum and dad sedan but higher end tradie utes which are in the $75-$90k range.

However, the main reason I brought up the cybertruck was mainly in relation to this thread ie to show progress with the EV battery to home supply connections. How this pans out in reality remains to be seen. I'm not 100% sure how this works but apparently the cybertruck is plug and play with most Tesla home batteries. When a cybertruck EV battery is connected to a house with Tesla Battery the house simply sees itself as having a larger battery and no additional requirements or approvals are needed. Other systems/batteries will require adaptive hardware/software which Tesla will supposedly eventually sell and is very likely to need approvals.

While it may seem superfluous to have a home battery and an Ev battery to Home connection, some form of home battery still makes sense in that it simplifies setups and possibly reduces approvals. A home battery will also store sunlight when the EV is not at home.

Setups without a home battery that require approval remain problematic. If and when the cybertruck makes it to Australia I imagine any approvals process will take a long time.

Ok. so, this is not really a practical proposition for Australia, because it is more for direct heating than electricity production. Generally, more heat is the last thing we need. I have included it as at just after the 2 min mark in the video it does explain the temperature aspects . I have to say I have always been fairly skeptical of the practicalities of geothermal as I see pipework 4km down as a potential disaster waiting for a bad time to happen.

Geothermal Can TRANSFORM Dirty Coal Mines into Clean Energy Hotbeds! | Watch (msn.com)

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Paul

Currently we seem to be focused on Solar and Wind when talking renewables with just a dash of Hydro thrown into the mix, primarily to create a little controversy (Snowy 2.0). I mentioned geothermal in the previous post. this one is about Wave power.

When we talk of power for free, it is not of course free. We really are discussing the cost of conversion to electricity. The waves are there day in and day out, BUT and as Matt Ferrell says, "there's always a catch."

He describes the Chinese project as massive. I calculate his figures equate to a 1MW station on a 24 hour basis. If you were using this type of power to replace Liddell, for example, even in it's diminished state down from 2000MW to 900MW at the time of closure, you would need 900 of these to replace it.

How Wave Power Could Be The Future Of Energy | Watch (msn.com)

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Mr Brush

This makes interesting reading too: The Tesla Cybertruck Still Looks Like Crap, Even In Matte Black

In the pictures it actually looks like a low sheen black rather than a matt black. Not quite accurate reporting by their propaganda department.

But where does one get black stainless steel, irrespective of gloss level? Alternatively, how well does their paint stick to stainless steel?

Tesla truck.jpg Source: Mr Brush Reference

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

The least powerful Porsche I could find currently offered in Oz developed 283KWs.

The GT3 RS reviewed by Steven Corby in the Weekend Autralian developed 385 kW - that is approximately 515 HP.