Thread: illegal drugs disposal

My best mate was murdered by Yachty drug importers. They don't like concientious objectors. They strung him up from the rafters and left a hand written suicide note. Only problem, it wasn't his handwriting. Nobody charged. No one convicted. Problem solved. Business as usual.

Drugs etc are disposed of in high temp pyrolytic incinerators, with the exclusion of some things such as heavy metal , PVC etc. Unfortunately drugs are here to stay too many big boys have their fingers in the pie.

Originally Posted by china

drugs etc are disposed of in high temp pyrolytic incinerators, with the exclusion of some things such as heavy metal , pvc etc.

Originally Posted by Tonyz

I hate the stuff with a passion, just wish the judicial system would get serious and really punish these bass tards something serious. The case up in northern WA yes create something for the kids to do but hells bells the 'seller' needs a oneway ticket to Simpson desert with 2 hours water and bare feet.

The president of the Phillipines came to power on a "cops can shoot anyone suspected of dealing in drugs" policy. Since then about 6000 mainly poor peasant types and small time dealers have been killed. Very few Mr Bigs have been touched. Estimated reduction of drug trafficking is zero. This is because the cops, airport people are though to be in deep on the action.

Places like Indonesia and Singapore also have hardline policies - Indonesia is much like the Phillipines and Singapore is a special case where people are pretty law abiding anyway.

Reality is while there's a demand "it will be supplied" one way or another.

The only answer is to offer a well regulated, pharmacy guaranteed product that completely eliminates black market demand.

This is then followed up with treating users as medical victims and treating them properly.

I believe this is the method in Portugal.

Let me find the stats. Its illuminating.

(Edit - yes, I believe police and the political class are prime suspects here. They are fantastically corrupt. All of them)

It's all about money.

The answer to everything is money.

In fact, if the answer is not money, then you didn't understand the question in the first place.

Hey Woodpixel

Agree 100% with treating drug addiction as a health issue, and legalisation takes the criminality out of it.

Disagree with your suggestion that police and politicians are involved or fantastically corrupt. Twenty - thirty years ago, yep. Now, no. The main reason for the change is the accountability in police investigations, particularly at a federal level, where most large scale drug investigations are run. Most drug investigations are now joint AFP / State and the AFP intel recording and information assessment is something to behold.

And with zero honour between thieves today, they will use a corrupt cop to get out gaol. That’s not to suggest there are not those that would like to act corruptly, the opportunities to do so without getting caught are minuscule.

Cheers

Supplying drugs legally at a low price and undercutting the illegal suppliers has always seemed to me an obvious solution, no profit means no reason for illegal suppliers to exist. The only problem with that would be the huge unemployment problem that would occur. Can you imagine the lobby efforts of the suppliers to the pollies if this approach was mooted? The AFP and similar organisation who are hell bent on prevention would suddenly have nothing to do and the suppliers would be horrified at the whole idea.

The economic ramifications are mighty.

Illegal importers will find themselves priced out. Quality would be unbeatable. Entire systems of cartel behaviour would fail.

Exactly this has occurred in the USA with the ending of prohibition of weed. The private industries are going nuts.

Its easy to guess those with vested interests would be completely against this... um, like the police and politicians.

The private prison systems. Systematic racist oppression. The VAST network of government bureaucrats and spy networks... big budget stuff... all gone in a week. POOF!


One would assume, that if people are wishing to take drugs, they will get them.


Party-goers, stock traders and simple stoners. No lack of supply there.... but how good would it be if a One Weekend Party Pack could be bought at the chemist for $100?

Kids not taking risky crap at concerts, at home with "mates" who bail on a victim when the acid is bad, ecstasy that doesn't DESTROY kidneys...

I'm not suggesting for a second that the very worst stuff like Meth are totally legalised, but I certainly do advocate the other "natural" stuff is. Coke, weed, acid, this kind of thing. Reason? Because nobody wants to take meth. Nobody.

The treatment for Meth/heroin/etc (or any drug really) should be a very simple "I need help" walk in, you are given a room and a hospital treats you properly. Same as if one has a mental episode, or a bum gall bladder. It gets you off that relentless treadmill, that would be fantastic... for the user, their families, their workplace, society, policing... everything.

I did a bit of readup on Portugal. Vveerryy interesting..... very very.

The model is simple. It is not without problems, nor its detractors. But after reading a lot about it, it seems these detractors are either a) ideological, b) religious or c) financially vested interests.


Apologies if my posts cause some distress and this is obviously far outside the forum rules. I am simply intrigued by this discussion.

Decriminalisation is a very different issue and concept than legalisation.

Cocaine is not a benign drug.
(Many, quite rightly, will point out that tobacco and alcohol are both harmful drugs and they are correct. From a health perspective, the most rational thing would be to get rid of tobacco and alcohol rather than adding more substances that have risk of dependence/harm/abuse).

I agree that the focus should be on suppliers / dealers / importers. Punishing the end user doesn't achieve a great deal.

In Canada at least, people were still buying illegal weed from street dealers. Apparently cheaper and stronger than the legal stuff.
THC levels in weed have risen steadily over decades (breeding)

"get rid of tobacco and alcohol" will never happen your talking the loss of in excess of $ 20 billion government revenue.

saw the NZ government or rathe Jacinta spoke about eliminating all tobacco. well that was a ding bat moment.
have healthier people yes maybe
eliminate huge amounts of gov revenue
create an even larger under round illegal crime group based market.

Poor girl was thinking more about her wedding than what was coming out of her mouth.

Originally Posted by Tonyz

saw the NZ government or rathe Jacinta spoke about eliminating all tobacco. well that was a ding bat moment.
have healthier people yes maybe
eliminate huge amounts of gov revenue
create an even larger under round illegal crime group based market.

Poor girl was thinking more about her wedding than what was coming out of her mouth.

I would think she's actually looking at it long term (shocking that someone in parliment can look beyond their 4 years)
while they may take a short term hit in loss of taxes
they will PAY far less in 20 or so years time when people arent clogging up the health system due to smoking related illnesses.

The entire debate is very difficult because it is simply a result of the nature of people. Why is it that some people can have an occasional drink whilst others become alcoholics? Why can some take party drugs on a Friday night and continue to have a normal life whilst others become junkie dole-bludgers? Why can some people wear a mask in a pandemic whilst others refuse? Why do some people still smoke despite the enormous cost and massive amounts of evidence to show how harmful it is? Why do some people think the speed limit doesn't apply to them?

If there is a market then someone will sink to whatever depths are required to profit from it, and anything that "feels good" will always be too tempting for some people to resist. Viewed from that perspective, punishing the drug dealers because some people are too weak willed to resist makes as much sense as punishing a supermarket for putting lollies or "No Idea" magazine next to checkouts where weak willed people can buy them.

The concept of supplying "clean" drugs through pharmacies doesn't work, because it doesn't solve the basic problem that some people can walk away whilst others become dependent. Those dependent people will have all the same problems, no matter where they get their "clean and legal" drugs, and they will still end up selling their "official" drugs to buy something worse from an illegal supplier.

Notes: I live in a rural town where drugs are a large and growing problem. My wife is the local pharmacist (we own the pharmacy) so on a daily basis we see the problem from all sides. Whether it is the addict getting prescription pain killers to use themselves or to sell to buy harder drugs, or the people with a carton of cigs, a case of beer, and "no money" to pay for the prescription for their kid, it happens every day. All levels of human life require a degree of self discipline and effort, and individuals vary in the amount of each they are able to muster.