Thread: I'm sick of hearing GLOBAL WARMING AGGHHH

Originally Posted by Gumby

Well, there goes any hope for me.

I don't know about that - I've heard that you are fairly flexible.

Well the globe has been warming since 1800 when the "little ice age" finished.

All the CO2 that man has put in the atmosphere amounts to 1/10,000 or the atmosphere.

Michael Mann's "hockey stick" interpretation of climate change has been totally discredited.

There was likewise a warming in the middle ages. That's how the Vikings managed to live so well in Greenland.

The world actually cooled post WW2. This might possibly have been caused by nuclear testing throwing tons of dust and junk into the atmosphere. This cooling continued until 1979 when it appears we got back into the warming phase, which had it's origins way before the industrial age.

It is scaremongering scientists who want research money various others lobbyists (what do you think Greenpeace is?) that promote this approaching cataclysm for the sake of their own income.

Any warming taking place has nothing to do with mankind. It seems the height of arrogance to me to assume that we did it and we have the power to change it.

Studley

Originally Posted by DakotaGurl

I know how to ice fish

Hey Heather,

That's going to be a useful skill when the ice caps have gone!

Cheers,

P

Originally Posted by bitingmidge

Hey Heather,

That's going to be a useful skill when the ice caps have gone!

Cheers,

P

Biting,

Good point, but I will be able to use that tool for some other good use, maybe make a rug...

A major problem discussing anything technical with 1000 half wits is that the combined sum of their knowledge only adds up to that of any individual half wit.

Originally Posted by BobL

A major problem discussing anything technical with 1000 half wits is that the combined sum of their knowledge only adds up to that of any individual half wit.

I only half understood that.... what was the question again?

Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers

I only half understood that.... what was the question again?

he means he'd rather talk to 500 full wits than 1000 half wits.

You're on the wrong side of the room I think.

Originally Posted by Gumby

... rather talk to 500 full wits .....

I'll drink to that.

The Australian Museum is running a series of lectures over the next 2 months (at least) with speakers from both sides - one of Al Gore's trained speakers and various professors of climatology & paleo-whatever.

I'd say that the evidence is insufficient to reach an accurate verdict at this time, but that is not an excuse for environmental rape either.

'Peak oil' will also have a fair effect on the alleged human industrial component. Just start practicing those horse handling skills

You can put whatever spin you like on globe warming and come up with whatever answer makes you feel comfortable.

At a conference on renewable energy a few years ago, I thought one of the most interesting talks was given by an insurance company representative. They are not interested in ideology of global warming but were just reporting the observed natural disaster rate. The rate of natural disaster in Australia has gone up significantly (I won't quote exact figures as I don't have a transcript or paper to reference) and the insurance industry was concerned about the movement of cyclone activity further south than previously recorded. This had great ramifications as buildings in some of the areas (south Qld & north NSW) aren't designed to withstand cyclones. The speaker alluded to the possibility of some of these areas becoming uninsurable.

I don't think the world is going to ever heat up enough to melt the ice caps. Quite the opposite. The ice caps never get above zero degrees and never will. Therefore they can't melt. Only the outer fringes will melt.

But with the extra moisture sucked into the atmosphere due to warming there will be increaced snow fall and ice on the ice caps!

Killing the doomsayers idea of sea levels rising by some crazy amount.

It seems to me the main problem comes from there being too many people. We breed like rabbits and pay no attention to what is sustainable. If we manage to halve our greenhouse emissions we will still double our population in a few years.

Australia's population just rose from 20 to 21 million. This million was faster than at any time in our history, including the post war job rush and the baby boom; it's unsustainable and is not being discussed.

So, reduce your emissions, tax them - do whatever you will - but until population is addressed and reduced we're doomed to 'self correct' by overcrowding, starvation, war for space or resources, or a new super plague. The worst result would be to survive until the resources are all gone.

Originally Posted by rod@plasterbrok

I don't think the world is going to ever heat up enough to melt the ice caps. Quite the opposite. The ice caps never get above zero degrees and never will. Therefore they can't melt. Only the outer fringes will melt.

But with the extra moisture sucked into the atmosphere due to warming there will be increaced snow fall and ice on the ice caps!

Killing the doomsayers idea of sea levels rising by some crazy amount.

Unfortunately if the gulf stream stops flowing completely, as it did momentarily a couple of years ago, the warm sea currents that drop near the arctic will no longer cool and subsequently the seas will rise in temperature.

The earth came out of the last ice age as the isthmus between north and south america rose cutting off the gulf stream that between them and recirculating it up the west coast of the US.

So IF the edges of the Arctic do melt as you say, and its enough to cool the water so the gulf stream stops, like it hiccupped a few years ago, then the sea temperature will rise melting it even more. The ice also reflects some of the suns rays, so shrinking it also allows the temperature to rise again.

The Antarctic is a land mass with ice on it, if I'm not mistaken, and the Arctic is floating ice. So, if the Arctic ice melts, the seas will fall, not rise because water increases volume as it freezes and vice versa.

Now, if the Antartic melts, that could be another story. The edge of it being ice, the same applies. But the ice on the land running back into the sea, well, who knows.