Thread: Katoomba Monthly Temp average set to be SMASHED!!! AGAIN!!!

Wollemi pines discovered in 1994? Rubbish! The old timber cutters new of them 100 years ago. My old neighbour (94 years old) used to talk about them back in the 1970's and his dad before that. It's just the boffins have managed to fall over them now.

Originally Posted by rwbuild

Speaking of "pot", there won't be much growing anywhere now for a while and if they do it will be fairly easy to find

Funny story time. We had been at a relatively small bush fire and just closed a main road to deal with it when a few of the local Lads showed up and then ran into the bush and everyone knew they were trying to recover their dope garden. The controller in charge decided to get on the PA in one of the trucks and announce we were going to start a back burn and it might be a good idea if the local lads got out. We all broke up laughing but I can't remember if they came out with anything.

Originally Posted by rustynail

Wollemi pines discovered in 1994? Rubbish! The old timber cutters new of them 100 years ago. My old neighbour (94 years old) used to talk about them back in the 1970's and his dad before that. It's just the boffins have managed to fall over them now.

There's a big difference. The "boffins" recognised their significance and knew enough to do something about it. The aborigines probably knew about them 50,000 years ago.

mick

Originally Posted by Chris Parks

Funny story time. We had been at a relatively small bush fire and just closed a main road to deal with it when a few of the local Lads showed up and then ran into the bush and everyone knew they were trying to recover their dope garden. The controller in charge decided to get on the PA in one of the trucks and announce we were going to start a back burn and it might be a good idea if the local lads got out. We all broke up laughing but I can't remember if they came out with anything.

Apparently the fires flushed out a massive meth lab here

40kg with the ability to make 1000 more at a time.

Bet that caused some consternation!

Such an uncomplicated, straight forward process. They'll never get it under control. We need to treat these things medically rather than criminally.

Originally Posted by Glider

There's a big difference. The "boffins" recognised their significance and knew enough to do something about it. The aborigines probably knew about them 50,000 years ago.

mick

I think the old guys were well aware of their significance. That's why they were a talking point. As for the boffins knowing enough to do something about it, we shall wait and see.

Malcolm Turnbull's view on CC (quote from a BBC interview, via the Guardian):

“If you go to any of the rightwing thinktanks or read the Murdoch press it is just full of climate denialism,” he said. “And it is designed to deflect from the real objective which has to be to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions.

“To be a climate change denier is a badge of honour on the right wing of politics here and in the US, and it is mad.”


Turnbull said Australia was “in the frontline of the consequences” and needed to act on the climate crisis to show the world that it was important.


“How many more coral reefs have to be bleached, how many more million hectares of forest have to be burned?” he asked. “How many more lives and homes have to be lost before the climate change deniers acknowledge they are wrong?


“If a country like Australia is not prepared to grapple with this issue seriously, itself being in the frontline of the consequences and being an advanced, prosperous, technologically sophisticated country, with the means to do so, then why would other countries take the issue as seriously as they should?”

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Malcolm Turnbull's view on CC (quote from a BBC interview, via the Guardian):

“If you go to any of the rightwing thinktanks or read the Murdoch press it is just full of climate denialism,” he said. “And it is designed to deflect from the real objective which has to be to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions.

“To be a climate change denier is a badge of honour on the right wing of politics here and in the US, and it is mad.”


Turnbull said Australia was “in the frontline of the consequences” and needed to act on the climate crisis to show the world that it was important.


“How many more coral reefs have to be bleached, how many more million hectares of forest have to be burned?” he asked. “How many more lives and homes have to be lost before the climate change deniers acknowledge they are wrong?


“If a country like Australia is not prepared to grapple with this issue seriously, itself being in the frontline of the consequences and being an advanced, prosperous, technologically sophisticated country, with the means to do so, then why would other countries take the issue as seriously as they should?”

Brett,
I unfortunately think some deniers will get to this stage, before they change there attitude.


Cheers Matt.

The last 3 weeks we've had here:

- two record maximum hot days - 44°
- a dozen days over 36° (see *)
- two galactic firestorms within spitting distance
- weeks of choking heavy smoke
- hail the size of golf balls that smashed an ENTIRE region to absolute bits
- 3 bloody ripper lightning storms
- 2 huge damaging winds
- a dust storm "Habood" (today)
- 2 big bushfires at Queanbeyan (again, with 10km's of Canberra city)

These are ALL SEPERATE EVENTS.... it all good mate. No Climate Change at all.... cos this is NORMAL**

* Daily Maximum Temperature - 070351 - Bureau of Meteorology
** My effing hairy ass it is.

What about before the BOM actually kept good records...

I wonder what happened in the previous 200, 2000, or 200000 years of Australia????

Just curious, as we don't have records and none of us were here!

I just get sick of the media spin;
it's always sensational news headlines designed to draw the public in as the more viewers they get the more advertisements they can air,
and thus more revenue for the media owners.

Originally Posted by crowie

What about before the BOM actually kept good records...

I wonder what happened in the previous 200, 2000, or 200000 years of Australia????

Just curious, as we don't have records and none of us were here!

I just get sick of the media spin;
it's always sensational news headlines designed to draw the public in as the more viewers they get the more advertisements they can air,
and thus more revenue for the media owners.

We do have records !
Recovers from core drilling’s showing the environmental conditions thousands of years ago.
Scientists have been drilling for core samples .
Which give us a window of the environment 1000 of years ago.
An we know the air an water was a lot nicer(there kind of important stuff).

Cheers Matt

I feel Crowie, that what we are experiencing is far from normal.

This anthropological article was published today which would be of interest: DNA from child burials reveals ‘profoundly different’ human landscape in ancient Africa | Science | AAAS

It shows that our population and DNA has changed pretty aggressively with the change in environment.

We learn more about the deep past every day.

I dont think what happened 200,000 years ago is even vaguely relevant - what matters is NOW. Can we live here NOW as we'd like?

It isn't conspiracy theories, its scientific fact.

Of interest, I've always tried to consider myself as a curious mind. As a boy, I grew up in Canberra and was fascinated by the nature of the soil. It is almost dead - geologically and biologically. If one were to put a mattock into literally anywhere, it is all broken stone and dead clay. Ancient stuff with almost ZERO biological inclusion. There is no loam, there is no soil, there is no buildup of layers of aeons, millennia, centuries or decades of dirt/soil/muck.... its all rock.

Scratch under the grass and its dry, hard, broken, ancient.

Nothing like Europe and England, where I helped on an archaeological sonde - Each century was a full meter thick! Layer on layer on layer of accretion.

Not here.

It has always interested me. Hence my earlier question posted previously "why so few aboriginals".

I'm, personally, quite certain "we" arrived in a Goldilocks time.

Originally Posted by crowie

What about before the BOM actually kept good records...
I wonder what happened in the previous 200, 2000, or 200000 years of Australia????

Ice core samples from Antarctica give us a pretty good idea of that. Mind you, we'll need to be quick......a liquid soup will tell us nothing at all!

It also all depends on when the world was formed. Was it 14,000 years ago or was it 4543 million years ago as the science has told us for ...I don't know how long, but way before current technology?

I guess it depends upon who you trust: millions of pages of modern science with all of the excellent technology providing incontrovertible evidence
(and we really only have to look at 200 years worth to see the extraordinary acceleration - much better than any Ford is capable of.... )
OR
one book written buy ill-educated *males* all from one tiny region of the planet (modern Israel) (and, realistically, probably uneducated *males*).

I have very great faith in the incontrovertible science.

Originally Posted by crowie

I just get sick of the media spin;
it's always sensational news headlines designed to draw the public in as the more viewers they get the more advertisements they can air,
and thus more revenue for the media owners.

So watch ABC and SBS Peter - contrary to the Govt belief, they have no axe to grind - but they do adopt the Don Chipp principle, whoever the Bastards might be at the time. Furthermore, I have not seen a single advertisement, in any media that I look at, for a decade. (there have been some accidents though) I seriously do not know what 21st Century advertising looks like. No idea whatsoever. Man, I like it that way! I get to make up my own mind. (I don't even see adverts on SBS On Demand - Adblock skips over them - same if I watch Ch 9 on the puta once every 5 years)

Originally Posted by Simplicity

We do have records !Cheers Matt

Ah, yup. For a while yet.

Originally Posted by woodPixel

The last 3 weeks we've had here:
- two record maximum hot days - 44°
- a dozen days over 36° (see *)
- two galactic firestorms within spitting distance
- weeks of choking heavy smoke
- hail the size of golf balls that smashed an ENTIRE region to absolute bits
- 3 bloody ripper lightning storms
- 2 huge damaging winds
- a dust storm "Habood" (today)
- 2 big bushfires at Queanbeyan (again, with 10km's of Canberra city)

Yes indeed. I do wish that Parliament had been sitting over the last 6 weeks. Reckon there might be a few changes of mind. We have to remember that Politicians are inherently egotistical liars who only really want to serve themselves to the Public Teat of Funds. Anyone with the right character would NEVER consider a career in politics, these days anyway.

You know how huge bushfires create their own weather? Well I'm afraid I have to inform you that this particular problem is far worse, and more common in Canberra, given the considerably larger amount of hot air present. But remember - you may have been born there with no choice, but you CHOSE to stay!

Originally Posted by woodPixel

** My effing hairy ass it is.

TBH, I'd really prefer NOT to know just how hairy it is, but I'd settle for "slightly".

The climate is constantly changing. Probably always has and probably always will. The argument should not be directed at its existence but more to how to minimize the effect. As for using Canberra as a barometer, I can't think of anything more ridiculous. It would have to be one of the most inappropriately located cities in the country. Miserable climate, miserable soil and a smog trap. Lovely. And you wonder at the lack of historical Aboriginal occupation?