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    Default The Lucky Country

    We used to be known as the lucky country.

    I think thats fast fading. There was a time you could change jobs, even trades as long as you were competent to do the work.

    But the excessive influence of teachers on our governments means you have to be "trained" at a school nowadays. So what if the qualification isn't worth the paper its written on

    Tritonjapan (Steve) said in another thread
    "In older cultures, Japanese or European, instead of the jacks of all trades that were required in the pioneering cultures, specialists were called for. There is too much of Theo in me for that. I have no desire to be perfect at anything, I want to be able to do a stack of things reasonably well

    All us older aussies know just what Steve means.

    Is it possible to recover some of the good old ways?
    Regards, Bob Thomas

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    Errh, NO

    You need a Uni Degree to flip burgers at Maccas these days.

    I, like yourself am multi, multi skilled.
    I can do any manual task I am set.
    Not too good on the academic side of things, but, give me the raw materials and a plan/drawing, and I can make anything.
    Im not bragging either, just a fact.

    Al

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    Yep Bob,
    much rather have a jack of all as a day to day co-worker, than a narrow focus specialist, specailists can be called in for the few hours they're needed annually.
    Bruce C.
    catchy catchphrase needed here, apply in writing to the above .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozwinner
    ........give me the raw materials and a plan/drawing, and I can make anything.
    Im not bragging either, just a fact.

    Al
    Excellent, I'll you email you the plans to our house and you can finish the reno for us!!
    There was a young boy called Wyatt
    Who was awfully quiet
    And then one day
    He faded away
    Because he overused White


    Floorsanding in Canberra and Albury.....

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    Al,

    not sure if I agree with you being not so academic.
    Take your typing skills as an example.
    You're almost up to 5000 posts.
    Maybe you can become a typist.
    Regards
    Les

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    but Al don't have a Tafe degree to prove he can type!!!!!!!!
    Regards, Bob Thomas

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    QA systems. Many, many companies around the world will not deal with you unless you have quality assurance systems in place. One would be adequate training / qualifications for the staff doing the work.
    Mick

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    Quote Originally Posted by namtrak
    Excellent, I'll you email you the plans to our house and you can finish the reno for us!!
    Email me the plans, and Ill email you the finished reno.

    Al

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    42% of doctors in Tasmania are foriegners . Why cant we educate our own ? I really dont understand it .
    They talk of training all the kids for IT jobs . What about plumbers , builders , joiners , carpenters , tilers , concretors . They say they are teaching beyond the basics . Well gosh just teach them the basics to start with I say . I had a student in yr 10 and I said whats 1 plus 1 and no word of a lie she said " your confusing me " she couldn't answer it . Here in Tassie we are lowest in all 3 major subjects , maths , english and science . But hey we are "literate and can get in touch with our inner feelings by understanding the dynamics of union between the various multi-media graphics .
    Gone are the days of learning your times tables by rote .
    I'm turning into a grumpy old man I think , must be that lead paint in our cots oz .

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick_rine
    Here in Tassie we are lowest in all 3 major subjects , maths , english and science .
    Yeah, but you're number one in banjo playing

    (I'm only joking)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick_rine
    I'm turning into a grumpy old man I think , must be that lead paint in our cots oz .
    Ahhhh, and only 41 too..

    Al

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    Gone are the days of learning your times tables by rote
    Not true. But it does depend on which school the kids go to.
    Public education has failed the kids.
    Some private schools still do things the old and tested ways.
    That is why the public schools run campaigns against the private schools. They do not like to be shown up.

    The world has become a paper trail. You must prove on paper that you are qualified. The problem has occured since hiring and fireing was taken from the shop floor and handed to a bunch of pencil pushers who would not know what they are talking about.
    Having attended many PS meetings over the years, I firmly believe that the less you know the more important you become.

    Ok time to go. [Rant off]

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick_rine
    42% of doctors in Tasmania are foriegners . Why cant we educate our own ? I really dont understand it .

    (snip)

    Here in Tassie we are lowest in all 3 major subjects , maths , english and science .


    Rick, speaking as one brain surgeon to another, that's one of the wittiest posts I've seen in a while.

    Or do you really not understand the relationship between maths english and science and medical qualifications? :eek: :eek: :eek:

    Cheers,

    P

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidG
    The world has become a paper trail. You must prove on paper that you are qualified. The problem has occured since hiring and fireing was taken from the shop floor and handed to a bunch of pencil pushers who would not know what they are talking about.
    I have a number of bits of paper. Quite a large number.
    I work with a bloke who also has quite a few.

    We were talking only last week about the number of times anyone has actually asked us to produce them. In over thirty years, neither of us has ever been asked to prove we had done what we said we had done, and I reckon that we aren't alone.

    Even if you were asked, I bet no one would try to prove the thing wasn't a forgery.

    Send $10.00 and I'll fix you up with a custom set of documents to suit whatever job you are going for. The pencil pushers will never know.

    Cheers,

    P

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    Well, I come from a generation that was born never knowing what it was to be gruntled.

    I've got a coupla bits of paper but neither of them has ever made a lot of difference. It gets me the interview but then I have to do the rest. I interviewed a guy once and he had a lovely bit of paper but he couldn't pronounce the name on it, so he didn't get the job.

    I yearn for the days you speak of, Bob, although I never really knew them myself, at least not as an adult. Trouble is, there's too much good stuff I'd have to give up too. I hate that cake clause....
    "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."

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