Thread: A message to Bat.

Originally Posted by Sturdee

Rather than be a man and face up to criticism and either explain his actions or defend giving his reddie he has instead altered his signature line by adding the following :



Not satisfied with individuals, now he is insulting our country as a whole. A bit rich seeing he comes from seppo land which claims to be the home of the braves and land of the free.

Our early settlers may have been convicts but you lot murdered most of the braves ( the original Indians ) and locked the rest up and starved them in reservations ( the first concentration camps in the world ) and a land where they are so free that they need that kind of weapons to protect themselves from their fellow country men. USA, the murder capital of the world.

FYI the early cotton plantations on which your country's wealth was built was originally worked by the same british convicts before they were sent here and when that supply eased up they were replaced by slaves.

Your constitution said " All men are created equal " . Yea right except if you were a black then you were a slave.

We may have had convicts, sentenced for a period of time for a crime committed, but we never had slavery. Something seppos always conveniently forget.:mad:


Peter.

Bat has changed his signature. He has also decided to drop the matter and those that wish to pursue it may PM him.

I have copied a thread which I put up in Open Slather so that Peter may read it. http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ad.php?t=29919

Aha!
I have already been there, I just didn't know it was the "orange room"!
Thanks for letting me know

Originally Posted by

Bat has changed his signature. He has also decided to drop the matter and those that wish to pursue it may PM him.

I have copied a thread which I put up in Open Slather so that Peter may read it. http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ad.php?t=29919

Thank you for making your thread " Ladies and Gentlemen : Time please " available in open forums for me to read.

As mentioned to you my posts were a public response to what I consider a private attack on me by bat and IMO not needing editing, but as always I humbly accept your decisions in those matters.

I noted bat's post "I'm done with it. If anybody else wants to discuss guns or flame me for having right to own them, PM me and we will take it somewhere else."

For the record I don't want to discuss guns or flame him for having the right to own them as I never, ever wanted to see the photos he put up in the first place and I'm thankfull that I live in a civilised society that has gun control laws.

But I do agree with bat in that I'm done with it as well.


Peter.

Originally Posted by Sturdee

We may have had convicts, sentenced for a period of time for a crime committed, but we never had slavery. Something seppos always conveniently forget.:mad:


Peter.

Hmmm.. Sorry sturdee, but I think we had a small amount in QLD in the cane fields in the early days. It wanst as wide spread and didnt last long (I think the colonial Govt got grumpy). I believe they used Islanders. Though there has been some contention on the matter. And the comment on the indians was a little bit of a cheap shot considering our treatment of the aboriginies.

but hay I agree with what you are trying to say, we just shouldnt be getting on our high horse until we have sorted our own mess.

PS. Yes I do come from good convict stock (Tasmanian convicts at that).

Originally Posted by Gra

Hmmm.. Sorry sturdee, but I think we had a small amount in QLD in the cane fields in the early days.

Graham, I was taught at school that the islanders were indentured labourers. They were paid and after their period of labour was finished they signed either new contracts or were returned back to their country. Not quite the same.

I stand by my comments on the treatment of the Indians. I have a somewhat special interest in the people of the Chippewa nation, one of the 500 nations that inhabited north America before European settlement, and when you study that early period of American expension by conquest of the Indian nations you would agree with me. It does the USA no credit similarly the treatment of our own aboriginal people is not a credit to Great Britain who was the actual occupier of Australia.

Ever since we Aussies gained our independence in about 1924 when dominion status was revoked by the British parliament and they voluntary relinquished forever their right to make laws for and over Australia (as well as Canada, South Africa and New Zealand) we have tried to remedy those sins of the early British settlers against the aboriginals.

But that is another subject for debate.


Peter.

Originally Posted by Sturdee

It does the USA no credit similarly the treatment of our own aboriginal people is not a credit to Great Britain who was the actual occupier of Australia.

In fact if you study the history of the americian indian , and are honest then you would have to rate the U.S. government as possibly the most racist and intorreremt government in history
You only have to look at the Grandfather bill where it excluded people born in their country unable to vote

And of course, you eastern staters (and the rest of the world), forget that South Australia was a free settlement. No convict ever served in chains here. Our crims were kept in hulks in the Port River and the really naughty boys (lads like Al and Christopha) were transported to Pt Arthur.

Now, when you consider that the colony of South Australia was a free settlement, that people actually PAID to be here, isn't it remarkable that within three years of the colony being established, they had to construct the Old Adelaide Gaol. A project required because of the number of crims. A project that was never fully finished because it drove the fledgeling colony to the brink of financial ruin.

And yet, an even older part of South Australian history is a building within the precincts of Yatala Labour Prison. Yes, it's still in use and it predates Adelaide Gaol (which claims 1839).

But, no convicts were ever transported here. No man ever served in chains here. So you eastern staters who are so proud of your convict heritage can stop trying to force it on the only free colony in the commonwealth, even if we did prove to be a mob of anti-social scuzzbags.

One day, I'll post the story of the first hanging here in South Australia. It's a hoot, but you need to read the original newspaper stories of the day to get the full effect (so please, no-one spoil it with a half arsed effort from later sources). There's a bit of typing involved so I won't post it tonight, but it's a great chuckle.

Richard

Originally Posted by Daddles

Now, when you consider that the colony of South Australia was a free settlement, that people actually PAID to be here
Richard

How times have changed. Now you have to pay us to go there

Originally Posted by Lignum

How times have changed. Now you have to pay us to go there

Dammit, where's the tongue out, raspberry smilie when you need it

Richard

Originally Posted by Daddles

And of course, you eastern staters (and the rest of the world), forget that South Australia was a free settlement. No convict ever served in chains here.
Richard

Not forgotten Richard, just not relevant in the sphere of things.

Actually one of my wife's ancestors, and his family, was one of those free settlers, landed 1852, and there are quite a number of her distant relatives still living in Adelaide.

However most of the family saw the light and came to Melbourne.


Peter.

Originally Posted by Sturdee

However most of the family saw the light and came to Melbourne.

Transported were they Peter? (from Adelaide to Melbourne)

Richard

Originally Posted by Daddles

Transported were they Peter? (from Adelaide to Melbourne)

Richard

If only, for then they would have had a ride.

Unfortunately they walked from there to the diggings at Ballarat and from there to Melbourne where they could make more money than on the diggings.

Quite understandable as many people at time chased that elusive pot of gold further afield rather than look closer at home.


Peter.

NOW that is a fine hijacking gentlemen...... I was beginning to wonder if everyone on here had gone Batty!

This is scary territory, calling into question the way other poeple treated or treat indigineous populations. Lets not forget the White Australia Policy, which was a founding ideology of this country (here we can't blame the Brits) . It was only allowed to be considered if the federation was formed against the wishes of the minority of pro-slave Queenslanders and on the understanding that the Aboriginal people would disappear on the reserves into which they were segregated (hopefully naturally!).